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Speedslug 2013-12-05 11:10am

Concrete Bell Flower Press?
 
I am thinking of making my own Bell Flower Press out of Portland Cement using a paraffin wax mold to shape it.

I thought I would ask the LE collective mind if any problems can be seen with the idea.

bob 2013-12-05 11:19am

The only problem I see is you have to add some sort of matrix like sand and stone to give the cement strength. I would use a low fire clay you can get at any local pottery store. Once it is dry fire it to about 1400 degrees, you would have to use a kiln wash or bead release.
Bob

Speedslug 2013-12-05 11:22am

Any possibility of using bees wax instead of bead release or kiln wash?

bob 2013-12-05 12:23pm

Sorry Phil, I have never used bees wax so I don't know. I do know I have made alot of reusable moulds out of clay. Hopefully someone will come along with the answer to your question, I would be interested in the answer.
Bob

bshelle 2013-12-05 1:07pm

What are glass casting molds made out of? Do you have to break them to get the casting out?

What about a tapered mandrel? I think I've seen some vessel mandrels that are tapered. Poke hot ball of glass with it. Use tweezers to tweeze out the petals?

losthelm 2013-12-05 1:12pm

Regular cement is not a good idea.
It tends to hold moisture and pop when heated.
Sometimes with a lot of energy.

Ceramics like they use for slumping or kiln forming may be a better option.

Speedslug 2013-12-05 2:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by losthelm (Post 4472238)
Regular cement is not a good idea.
It tends to hold moisture and pop when heated.
Sometimes with a lot of energy.

Ceramics like they use for slumping or kiln forming may be a better option.

See? I knew someone would be able to tell why it hasn't been done before.

Good point. I'll see what I can find in the ceramic potters studio. Maybe refractory cement, the kind used to make brick kilns or smelters pots or crucibles. Hmmm. Have to give it more thought. Most likely I will wind up making a home brass forge and pouring my own brass.

Ah, who knows where this will wind up.

I will share it if I find something that works or doesn't work that has dangerous results. Thanks.

bob 2013-12-05 4:17pm

That is one thing about this glass adventure, It leads in so many directions.
Bob

Speedslug 2013-12-05 4:21pm

Yeah ! I love that part of it. I think I have as much fun building tools and the studio as I do melting glass. I have a technical bent and I love creating things, especially when I am finding another purpose for something.

KJohn 2013-12-05 6:22pm

Phil, would it be easier to carve some graphite blocks?

Speedslug 2013-12-05 6:33pm

Yeah, I was thinking that earlier myself, Kristin.

I think Arrow Springs has some for not a whole lot. Boy, I was looking on the web for graphite and that stuff can get spendy.

Speedslug 2013-12-05 6:49pm

Also my carving skills end at the scars on my knuckles. :lol:

RSimmons 2013-12-05 6:59pm

Check out a material called Refractory Castable. Cement is likely to explode from retained moisture. It's is used with lost wax casting and and metal so it can take the heat.

Robert

Speedslug 2013-12-05 7:07pm

Thanks Robert.


Does anyone know of another source for the brass bell flower press besides Italy?

I find it hard to think that they are the only makers on the planet.

I do realize that the Dona family are the best, though. I recognize quality. I just can't always afford it.

fionac 2013-12-06 6:08am

Phill, have you thought about metal clay? I have a couple of imprints I've made from bronzeclay that work great. Helgas and goldiebronze are fairly cheap and easy to work with ....

Speedslug 2013-12-06 1:05pm

Oh cool. No, I had not thought of metal clay. That is exactly why I love the collective hive mind of LE. That may be answer I was looking for!! Thanks again.

isaberg 2013-12-08 12:01pm

If you come up with something, I'd love to hear how you did it! What a great project!

Speedslug 2013-12-08 12:40pm

My "thinking 'bout it" phase can sometimes last for years but I promise to post what I come up with as and when I do.


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