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mandalinn 2009-01-10 12:13pm

What is Devardi glass???
 
I was searching around on Ebay and found Devardi glass rods for sale.......they have a gorgeous rose color and others, but the prices seem low and I am a bit leery of the Bay these days.

Anyone know anything about this glass?

sarah_hornik 2009-01-10 12:42pm

Never heard of this stuff... neither has Google, apparently. Weird.

mandalinn 2009-01-10 12:43pm

Yeah, I just googled it too and saw that, how odd.

kittyluv4ever 2009-01-10 1:16pm

I sent the seller an inquiry asking if it's imported or made here in the US and who makes it. I'll let y'all know what I hear.

glasshouse 2009-01-10 1:18pm

I wonder if it's P.I.G. or made by some of their suppliers? P.I.G. was made in India.

squid 2009-01-10 1:19pm

It looks handpulled, but at the price, I am suspecting it is Chinese.

mandalinn 2009-01-10 2:06pm

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Originally Posted by squid (Post 2310518)
It looks handpulled, but at the price, I am suspecting it is Chinese.

Yeah that is what I was thinking.

I am too much of a noob to purchase it and test the properly, but they looked interesting. We shall see what the seller says. :)

nagibeads 2009-01-10 2:42pm

they have no feedback as a seller.....


this statement in the auction makes me think twice:

Devardi glass is a handmade, hand pulled glass that uses very ancient glass recipes. It is not like the stripped down comercial varieties that flood the market.

I wonder what a "stripped down" commercial variety means....

sarah_hornik 2009-01-10 3:31pm

Yeah, I was wondering that too. :-)

Drafly 2009-01-10 9:21pm

Devardi Glass
 
Hello, I just received an email from the seller. The glass is made in India.
Natasha seems to be eager to work with lampworkers. I asked her to put an assortment on ebay and she has. I plan to give it a try and I will post the results here. There are some interesting colors. I cannot believe the price for handpulled glass. If anyone knows or has tried this or any glass made in India, please post here.
Thanks, Jim

sarah_hornik 2009-01-10 9:35pm

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Mixes well with Moretti and other COE 104 glass.
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Devardi is different than Moretti glass...<snip> since it requires different temperatures and gas mixtures.
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Some drawbacks are that it melts at a lower temperature than Moretti...<snip>
I'm sorry, but I'm not really buying this.

I have a beadmaker friend from India... I'm going to email her and ask if she knows anything about this glass. I'll let you guys know.

DesertDreamer 2009-01-10 10:00pm

I was all eager, years ago, to try the P.I.G. glass from India. Some of the colors were gorgeous but it all shipped absolutely filthy (someone at the time wondered if it had been packed in dung, and it wasn't that far off the mark), a lot of the colors were horribly shocky (mostly from long bubbles), and many weren't compatible even with other PIG, let alone any other 104.

In short, at this point I figure "Danger Will Robinson!!!!" It was heartbreaking to see an entire rod of this lovely moonstone color (kinda like CIM Cirrus, but a little more dense) just pop and plop onto my bench. Granted, that stuff appeared about 9 years ago, this new stuff could be entirely different, but I'd need a LOT of convincing to give it a try again.

Starrr 2009-01-11 12:01am

I would be VERY worried about incompatibility with itself and other glass.

lunamoonshadow 2009-01-11 8:35am

other than the price (omg, pink...for that cheap?) there really aren't many stunning colors there that aren't available somewhere else in trusted "commercial" ;) brands...(I just finally got some CIM colors...omg, gorgeous...still don't have 'em all, but...I got a few!)
I can't deal with the kugler104 issues of "maybe it will blow up" on the beads...I don't think I could stand having pink beads that exploded! I'd cry! :shock:

midniteburner 2009-01-11 11:15am

I think I'll pass on this one.

Remember the old saying "if it seems to good to be true, it usually is"

Sara

DesertDreamer 2009-01-11 11:27am

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Originally Posted by lunamoonshadow (Post 2311975)
other than the price (omg, pink...for that cheap?) there really aren't many stunning colors there that aren't available somewhere else in trusted "commercial" ;) brands...(I just finally got some CIM colors...omg, gorgeous...still don't have 'em all, but...I got a few!)
I can't deal with the kugler104 issues of "maybe it will blow up" on the beads...I don't think I could stand having pink beads that exploded! I'd cry! :shock:

I've only tried a very few of the ASK Kugler colors. If you like their colors, I'd suggest using the 96 palette instead. I use them regularly with Uroboros and the veiled colors from Val, Gail and Michelle, and have no problems. The palette is different from 104, too, so it's a nice change of pace.

sarah_hornik 2009-01-11 11:37am

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Originally Posted by sarah_hornik (Post 2311495)
I have a beadmaker friend from India... I'm going to email her and ask if she knows anything about this glass. I'll let you guys know.

My friend has never heard of "Devardi", nor has a friend of hers who is a glassblower.

She has tried out other locally-made glasses though, and like people here have been saying - she says they tend to be bubbly and scummy, and so shocky that your bead can shatter if you remove it from the flame for a second. And, of course, there are compatibility issues as well. :rolleyes:

lldesigns 2009-01-11 12:09pm

The rods look bubbly from what I can see. I'd be very cautious with this glass.

Listenup 2009-01-11 12:34pm

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Originally Posted by sarah_hornik (Post 2312258)
And, of course, there are compatibility issues as well. :rolleyes:

I'm going to guess that there will be with this glass as well. We all know (don't we?) that it's not just COE that determines compatibility. Viscosity also plays heavily into the equation and from the description on e-bay, the viscosity of the 2 are vastly different.

glasshouse 2009-01-11 1:18pm

I have used a few of the P.I.G. colors that were made in India. There are a few that are absolutely gorgeous.
I used it in small amounts with Effetre, just as surface detail.. Their transparent red is stunning. Cynthia
and I almost brawled over the few sticks we have left. :) They also carried a beautiful opaque peach/salmon.

Craig said part of the problem with P.I.G. was that different colors were made by different glassmakers and
then sold under the P.I.G. label. Kind of like R4- until they disclosed it, we weren't quite sure where their colors
were coming from either.

Anyhow, the price is good. I'm betting that there are at least a few colors that play nice and are different from
the palette we have currently. That pink does look very tempting! Good thing I am broke!

Who knows, importing this glass from India might help feed a whole village. Just because it's imported
doesn't mean it's sinister. It is "Buyer Beware" until the glass becomes known and tested, but that goes
without saying for any new glass. I don't use CIM because I don't like the fact that there are colors that don't
anneal in the 940-980 range. I am not gonna reprogram my kiln! :)

Sarah, I'm not surprised your friend hasn't heard of this one glass company. India is a very populated country. lol!

:) Kelly

glasshouse 2009-01-11 1:22pm

There's that saying, Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. I guess that's what I'm trying to say. Can we agree to reserve judgment
until at least one person has tried the glass? I'm thinking positive. I hope they have that glorious P.I.G. red & POUNDS of it!

:) Kelly

sarah_hornik 2009-01-11 2:06pm

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Originally Posted by glasshouse (Post 2312417)
Sarah, I'm not surprised your friend hasn't heard of this one glass company. India is a very populated country. lol!

I know that. Me not stoopid.

Look, maybe this glass is fabulous, I have no idea. I didn't even know there was a PIG glass before this thread - but no one seems to know if that's what this stuff is.

If there's anyone out there who has worked with this glass, I'd be very intrigued to see the results. At this point - while the price is tempting, and so are some of the colors - it just seems too risky to me. The description on the auction pages just doesn't sound reliable.

tammydownunder 2009-01-11 2:29pm

I know, lets get Gelly to try the PIG glass.:)

sarah_hornik 2009-01-11 2:35pm

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Originally Posted by tammydownunder (Post 2312539)
I know, lets get Gelly to try the PIG glass.:)

LOL, I was thinking the same. :lol:

mandalinn 2009-01-11 3:58pm

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Originally Posted by glasshouse (Post 2312421)
There's that saying, Don't knock it 'til you've tried it. I guess that's what I'm trying to say. Can we agree to reserve judgment
until at least one person has tried the glass? I'm thinking positive. I hope they have that glorious P.I.G. red & POUNDS of it!

:) Kelly

Oh I do agree with this, being a newbie at glass I just don't feel comfortable in trying out a relatively unknown glass. That pink really looks fab though. We will see, I am sure some are going to buy it and try it.

pam 2009-01-11 4:52pm

I bought the PIG glass early on and it was HORRIBLE!!!! Disintegrated in the flame, landing on your skin, your desk, your floor and anywhere else it could fly. I finally threw it away. I'm glad someone is going to try the new glass, and I have heard of it, but it won't be me! That stuff was dangerous.

Mark Parkinson 2009-01-11 8:05pm

I looked and was intrested in trying it until I saw the price of shipping to Canada from the US $12 per lb .... no way

TAKnight 2009-01-11 8:23pm

did anyone try this yet?

Cabanlet 2009-01-13 8:37pm

bump

Listenup 2009-01-14 12:21am

These are all auctions that end in 2-3 days, none have a buy it now option so It will be at least till sometime next week before anyone gets a chance to play with any.


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