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Old 2007-06-11, 2:34pm
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Default " THE LIST "Torches that will run on a single or dual Oxygen Concentrator Hookup

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This very popular oxygen concentrator used by bead makers and glass artists will go quickly and are in limited supply.

It puts out 5LPM @ 9-9.5 PSI, and is very quiet and reliable and will power up the following torches.


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1.) NORTEL MINOR

2.) BETHLEHEM PIRANHA

3.) BETHLEHEM MINNOW

4.) BETHLEHEM BETTA

5.) GTT BOBCAT

6.) GTT LYNX

7.) CARLISLE MINI CC

8.) NM KNIGHT LITTLE DRAGON 7 PORT[b]

9.) NATIONAL 8M
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Old 2007-06-27, 1:35pm
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Default Oxygen Concentrator and " FREE TORCH " special ends soon

Don't forget to look at the oxygen concentrator and free torch raffle special that ends 7/8/07.

www.soleiletlune.com/webstore

GOOD LUCK !!

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Old 2007-06-29, 4:30pm
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Being new to the idea of using a O2 concentrator instead of tanks. When your post said dual Devilbliss machines, did that mean using two machines at once? or is Dual Devilbliss a name of a machine?

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Old 2007-07-01, 10:50am
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That's using two machines connected to one torch. I do that quite a bit and it works great. Two of them will run any of the small torches (Minor, Mini CC, Little Dragon, Lynx, etc.) as hard as you want to run it.
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Old 2007-07-01, 10:59am
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I was even able to get a sort of flame on the Major portion of Angelique's Major/Minor last night with two concentrators. I needed the wide flame for a couple minutes, so I gave it a try. I only got about 1/4 to 3/8 inch candles at neutral which is probably too short for real use, but it did the quick job. We now have a 7lpm and a 5 lpm, but I run both at about 1/2 lpm below max.
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Old 2007-07-17, 6:39am
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Thanks for taking the time to post this information. My MC-4490 oxygen concentrator is still running like a champ

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I run a national 8 on one old concentrator, I think its about 6 years old now.
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Old 2007-07-31, 10:59am
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Thanks for that information Cindy. I have have several others email me to notify me that they are running this torch model on concentrators also.

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Old 2007-08-24, 12:01pm
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I am running an SS Minnow on a DeVo/MC 44-90 just fine. I have yet to wish I had more oxygen.
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Old 2007-09-01, 5:36am
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I am running my nortel minor on the Devilbiss mc-4490 and it has plenty to spare. I am buying a second machine to hook up both to do boro.
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Old 2007-09-19, 4:50am
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I am going to be moving up from my hot head and will be getting a concentrator, which torch seems to work best with oxybox and propane. what are pros or cons that I should take into consideration ?
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Old 2007-09-19, 7:44am
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If you can afford a Lynx torch, by all means get that. Kimberly at Pyronamix will fix you right up and the cost is $435.00 I believe before shipping. (She got it to me in 2 days!!!) I don't really see a reason to get another torch in the future unless I went to making huge marbles or paperweights, etc.
The Lynx is an incredible triple surface mix torch with so many ranges of flame you won't believe it and hooked up with two 5 LPMs does borosilicate glass pretty well. It will even melt boro with just the one 5 LPM concentrator, but more slowly. I love the way the torch itself is cool touch and the knobs never get hot.
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Old 2007-09-22, 9:30pm
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Does the Lynx need propane or can it handle household NG with a 10L concentrator? Anybody try this?

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Old 2007-09-27, 5:27am
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I have got my oxybox from oxygenplus medical. It is a devil biss 5lpm.
What type of torch works good with this machine for soft glass.
Any help out there ?
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I have 2 DeVilbiss 5LPMs and I use them individually with my Pirahna and my Minor (one hooked to each). I am looking to buy a torch with a slightly larger-softer flame so I can make some larger sculptural pieces, and they'll work tandemed together great, or alone with that kind of torch as well!
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I have got my oxybox from oxygenplus medical. It is a devil biss 5lpm.
What type of torch works good with this machine for soft glass.
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You may want to repost (or search -- there's lots of info already there) this question in the Torch room (look at the top of Tips, Techiniques, etc.) or post in Tips, Techniques... the Techies seem to hang in the Torch room.
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Old 2007-10-22, 4:45am
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Does the Lynx need propane or can it handle household NG with a 10L concentrator? Anybody try this?

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Hey, Barb, I'm sorry I missed this question earlier.

Household pressure is around 1/4 psi. The Lynx needs a little more to run - about 2 to 2 1/2 psi for the fuel gas.
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What type of torch works good with this machine for soft glass.
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You will get a flame out of just about any torch. How hot that flame is and what you can do with it will depend largely on the torch and its gas requirements.

Also, what one person finds to be satisfactory is sometimes unsatisfactory to someone else.

There are a lot of variables and there is no easy answer.
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Old 2007-10-26, 4:59am
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You will get a flame out of just about any torch. How hot that flame is and what you can do with it will depend largely on the torch and its gas requirements.

Also, what one person finds to be satisfactory is sometimes unsatisfactory to someone else.

There are a lot of variables and there is no easy answer.
I ended up buying a nortel minor and it works great. I was looking at the
GTT line of torches at first but everyone I spoke to said that for the money
and quality the better torch was the nortel.

Thanks anyways
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I ended up buying a nortel minor and it works great. I was looking at the
GTT line of torches at first but everyone I spoke to said that for the money
and quality the better torch was the nortel.

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Really? So, who were these people you spoke with? I find that hard to believe, Larry, um, Justin, um, I'm sorry, what was your name, again?
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Thanks anyways
Umm yeah, I don't think I would take their advice on anything else. The Nortel "might" be simpler to use or more indestructable but not better.

I have a Nortel minor and it IS a little workhorse. I have used it hard for the last 6 years, but it isn't even in the same league as the GTT's. I own a GTT Mirage and I have used the Bobcat and the Lynx. If my Minor was stolen I would replace it with the Bobcat. Just my opinions, I am not connected with GTT, just a customer.
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Really? So, who were these people you spoke with? I find that hard to believe, Larry, um, Justin, um, I'm sorry, what was your name, again?
I talked to a dozen or more artists who have used all brands. Guess these things from GTT are ok but nothin special so I guess you need to believe it.
from the tone of your post I take it that you are being sarcastic and a smart
_ss with me. I don't need to bother with hateful people like that. I'm goin fishin.
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I talked to a dozen or more artists who have used all brands. Guess these things from GTT are ok but nothin special so I guess you need to believe it.
from the tone of your post I take it that you are being sarcastic and a smart
_ss with me. I don't need to bother with hateful people like that. I'm goin fishin.
I hope your minor is a satisfactory torch for you for many years to come. I do not think it necessary to "run down" other torches however. Personally, I think all of the torches currently on the market fill specific needs extremely well. So many factors are involved in choosing a torch and I appreciate that the industry has provided us with so many options. Each torch has its' own lists of pros and cons and it is up to the individual user to determine the best "fit" for their own needs.

I am not currently using a GTT torch because I am running NG on household pressure. I do, however, have the greatest respect for their torches, craftmanship, and service. This opinion is based on actual experience, not something I have been told.
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Personally, I think all of the torches currently on the market fill specific needs extremely well. So many factors are involved in choosing a torch and I appreciate that the industry has provided us with so many options. Each torch has its' own lists of pros and cons and it is up to the individual user to determine the best "fit" for their own needs.
This is so true! And, not only that, but each torch has specific needs in order to perform specific tasks. That's why I said earlier that there is no simple answer to fitting an oxygen concentrator to a torch or a user. I guess that statement upset someone.

Anyone can put together a "list" - heck, I could easily put together a "list." And while a list or a chart is better than nothing, it should be taken more for what it is (a helpful aid - a starting point) than for a concrete answer. It takes knowledge of both what torches need (for a particular application) and what concentrators can provide to help fit the right oxygen concentrator to the situation. I can't tell you how many people come to me disappointed with their set-up because they purchased a concentrator from someone who did not know the first thing about what torches need for a particular application and/or they flat out gave them the wrong expectations.

I have spent lots of time researching and lots of my own money buying various torches and glass just for testing so that when someone asks me what their torch needs, I can at least give an educated answer. I don't know everything about everything - no one does. But, I try to stay up on as much as I can and am continually learning (and sharing).

I care very much about what I do and I take it seriously. My posts may seem "dry" at times - giving technical answers to questions does not always leave a lot of room for anything else but the plain facts - BUT, I am not "hateful."

No, "hateful" would be disguising oneself as a beginner and going onto an internet discussion forum plugging one's own product/business while taking unfair stabs at one's competitors (as ridiculous and transparent though they may be). "Hateful" would be posting the personal contact information of a customer on the internet along with the warning "Vendor Beware" because said customer came forward and complained that an order she placed was shipped late (about a month late) and incomplete (she was told that she would be issued a refund so she could buy the missing parts elsewhere, since that vendor did not want her business anymore - and then she didn't receive the refund!). "Hateful" would be going onto a forum where one's advertising was taken down because of said behavior towards that customer just to try to drum up more business for oneself and hurt the reputable vendors still allowed to advertise on said forum. Oh, wait, that might not be hateful - just sneaky and disrespectful.

At any rate, if I have a little laugh at a something someone fake or planted posts, especially when it was posted to do harm, well, I'm entitled.
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The list that Larry published was actually put together by me. I did use each and every one of those torches on Larry's machines to compile that list (although I believe I told Larry that the Wildcat and Knight 21 port numbers he published were a little high - probably closer to 60-65% if I remember correctly).

I would like to have done more extensive testing of the GTT torches, but they were loaned to me so I could only spend an hour or so with each one. The other torches I spent at least a day running - they are torches that I sell, or sold at the time in the case of Bethlehem (except the National, which was loaned to me as well).

I will ad this, though - some of you know that I am currently developing a lampworking podcast that will come out early next year. One of the first things that I have planned is a test of all the "small" torches - anything with 7 ports or less basically. I am going to test them on single concentrators, dual concentrators, and tanked oxygen. This will actually be a video podcast, so people can see what is going on. All torches will be new (which is why it may take me a while - I have to save up the money to buy them). I have been talking to several people about what is the best way to test them. We have come up with several tests that I think will give an accurate representation of what each torch is capable of given the supply of oxygen and propane that the manufacturer represents. I am also going to test the torches on a flow bench to see the exact amount of oxygen and propane flow needed to reach certain types of flames.

I know that people can still accuse me of favoring one brand of torch over another, and that's fine. I will do my best to be fair and impartial (which is why I'm buying each torch and not asking for donations), and that's all I can do. I'm also giving serious consideration to bringing in other lampworkers to have them test the torches as well. I had even given thought to a "blidnfold" test. I had envisioned setting up each torch with a metal cover over the body so the person working can only see the flame. I would set the torch to receive the amount of propane and oxygen that the manufacturers recommend, set a neutral flame, and then let them work on it. Obviously this will take some tinkering to get things even as far as torches go. There are a lot of details to be figured out, but I think this will be something that will benefit new and experienced lampworkers alike.

I have no idea of "Good Ol' Boy" is Larry or Justin or anyone else associated with Oxygen Plus, though. I can say for sure it isn't me. Beyond that, it's all speculation I guess...
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Well, Cosmo, I would like to make it clear that I never suspected you of being "Good Ol' Boy" or anyone else other than "you."

And, please don't misunderstand... I think that the list you helped put together is helpful. My post was in no way meant to discredit the list or its usefulness. However, I do stand by what I said. I feel that some of the numbers of how fully the concentrators power a particular torch are a little overstated based my estimation of how fully a torch can be powered (subjective, just like your observations) and on the oxygen consumption rates provided to me by the manufacturers and consumption rates that I have acquired through testing (not open to interpretation - it's math). I'm not attacking it your list - I just feel that the list is o.k. when someone is using it as a starting point. It's not so o.k. if that is what they are using as the sole basis for a decision. It appears that Larry and Justin have been resting on that list as if it is the concrete answer to "what concentrator will be right for me?" and that has caused some problems for some people.
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Yeah. The list Larry posted was intended only for reference when talking about the concentrators they sell. That was the whole point of me testing the torches - so he could tell potential customers how their particular torch would run on his machine(s). It was never meant to be the absolute final word in torch comparisons.

However, when I test them, I am going to use a couple different brands of concentrators as well as tanked oxygen. I'm hoping to try them on a generator as well, but that remains to be seen. This one will still be subject to speculation I'm sure. And there will of course be unseen variables that come up and reasons that one torch will work better for a certain type of work while other torches will be better for other types of work.

What I intend to do is use 5-6 different tests to determine the heat of each torch, and the rate at which that heat is transferred into the glass. Many details to be figured out, obviously, but hopefully it will serve as a good guideline for someone looking for their first torch and wondering which torch will work best for them.
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Old 2007-11-15, 6:40am
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listen folks, I make beads as a hobbie, I am not plugging anyones products because I do not need to hide behind anyones agenda. I will not be dragged into petty spats. I made an informed decision on what products I wanted then bought them and have been extemely satisfied.
I will be getting another devilbiss machine from larry with oxygenplus this week ...... two of the oxygenplus concentrators together outpower a regalia you sell at less than half the cost, more pressure,better warranty do the math.
Oxygenplus and its staff are longtime knowledgeable concentrator experts and this is the class of vendor I chose to rely on and deal with.
The torch list was helpful to me . I do not know cosmo but his list is pretty much on target whether you agree with it or not. Trying to discredit cosmo list,testing and factual information is pretty stupid.
binkstar, you seem to be an arrogant, antagonist who DOES love to challenge and attack innocent people or other concentrator or torch companies. Most people will see threw your transparency
If you have a list to put up then do it. Put up or shut up. That would make more sense than to attack all other lists or companies that you have a vendetta with.
Sugar/binkstar/Honey, I mean no disrespect but I simply don't play your games. You need to get a life and find some other KIDS to play with.
Good luck in selling whatever it is that you do ????

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