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Old 2015-11-09, 9:47am
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I originally started a thread in the bathroom. To say "I'm going to play today" and it evolved into people giving a few tips. So I am going to transfer the info here, but not with names of the people who posted, because they may not want their name attached outside of the bathroom.

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I bought a case of them last year. I am going to actually OPEN that case today. I have 4 colors of compatible frit to use.

Last time I played with glasskolben I was disappointed. (IN my skills) Now I'm thinking "Why not? I have all of the stuff I need, how else will I learn?"

I was taught by using vermiculite. Why can't I just put them in my kiln like beads?
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Old 2015-11-09, 9:48am
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First tip reply:

I put them in the kiln with my soft glass program and they came out just fine. Heat them way out in the flame and slowly bring them in. It is soft glass so it will soften pretty quickly. Get a nice even heat on the bubble then blow but not hard - just puffs.
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Old 2015-11-09, 9:50am
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My sad attempts.

Lol I think I'm just not patient today. Here are #'s 1 & 5. The 4 in the middle aren't really much better. None deserve the kiln but I put a couple in just because it was on.

Then I decided to get out the boro and make icicles. I didn't realize how bad my hand/arm are. So I quit. (For the day)
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Old 2015-11-09, 9:53am
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tips by 2 different people:

I finally figured out how to make them this year. If you watch the Delphi video closely(like I did several times in the last few years) she stops heating on the shoulder. Once I stopped heating above that, they came out much better. When you are putting the frit on the inside- make sure you keep turning to get an even coat or you will not get a good even heat. I get them hot and almost flopping, keep turning them as I bring them to my mouth, count to 4, and blow gently as I keep turning. Much better success this year. Really the secret was to not heat above the shoulder.


I garage them in my kiln set to 960 as I make them. The only problem I had was with putting them in too soon. They would get a flat spot then. So make sure they have gotten a bit hard before you place them in the kiln.
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Old 2015-11-09, 10:00am
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I also read somewhere that they crack easily in the flame possibly from not being annealed? That's a problem I had... Would it help to batch anneal them first and then heat them up in the bead door so that they're hot going In the flame? Would that help?
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Old 2015-11-09, 10:12am
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My tip would be to watch Shawnette's video. In my opinion, it is a better visual description of how to be successful with the Glaskolben.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8h0hD5rzmc

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I was just going to post Shawnette's video. lol
Here are a couple from Delphi-
http://www.delphiglass.com/video_view?vid=Sd-dtdcVoOI
http://www.delphiglass.com/video_view?vid=Ejdz6Xr7Rts

and a pdf- http://images.delphiglass.com/assets/210820.pdf
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Old 2015-11-09, 12:05pm
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We have always just annealed in the back of the torch (using a hot head) and then put in vermiculite. Rarely have cracks. When you're making huge batches of them it's pretty inconvenient to try using a kiln for them.

When we teach the class students make about 6-8 and so vermiculite does a great job. And much cheaper than a kiln if you just want to make ornaments forever.
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Mine crack as they enter the flame... how does she put it directly in there like that???
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Old 2015-11-09, 1:09pm
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I watched Rocio Bearer do some, and she started far out in the flame, and gradually brought it toward her as she turned it.
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Elektra, maybe I should come take your class! I'm just out in the burbs. (I learn better hands on)

I looked at your schedule the other day and already forgot it.
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Elektra, maybe I should come take your class! I'm just out in the burbs. (I learn better hands on)

I looked at your schedule the other day and already forgot it.
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I think once you figure out the small tricks, they are very very easy. It just might take some mistakes first!

On a HH it takes about 5-8 minutes, and we timed it on the minor, and to heat it and blow out is about a minute and 24 seconds. So it can be done! But I actually think the hot head is much better for starting out. Slower times mean you can really understand what the glass wants! Then apply it to a hotter torch later.
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Old 2015-11-19, 5:55pm
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Now that I have them figured out, I find them terribly addicting.
I would happily take any that people don't want as I am running out.

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Old 2015-11-19, 8:22pm
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Pam did you check the bulk buy to see if they are all gone? I know he had extras for a while at least.
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Old 2015-11-22, 2:52pm
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On a HH it takes about 5-8 minutes, and we timed it on the minor, and to heat it and blow out is about a minute and 24 seconds. So it can be done! But I actually think the hot head is much better for starting out.

Please know that this information can be misleading for some readers. These times are on propane or mapp?

Locally I don't have access to pure propane. I am using propane-butane mix. It does NOT get hot enough to make a glaskolben or anything blown on a HH. It was very disappointing for me to find that out with a large box of glaskolbens I wouldn't be able to use - because everyone online is talking about how easy it is to make them on hotheads and does not specify that it ONLY works with pure propane or mapp.
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Gabi, are you looking to maybe selling off your glaskolben??
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Old 2015-11-22, 11:23pm
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I have some and ordered more frit that was too big.

Id like to see how quick they could be made with my Phantom.
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They don't always have to be round. You can take a pair of tweezers and grab the little button and pull as you blow.
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Here is my crummy video showing how I do them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27_CSXByd3s
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That one was on a Carlisle Hellcat. Somewhere on my youtube I have one on a Nortel Minor.
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Please know that this information can be misleading for some readers. These times are on propane or mapp?

Locally I don't have access to pure propane. I am using propane-butane mix. It does NOT get hot enough to make a glaskolben or anything blown on a HH. It was very disappointing for me to find that out with a large box of glaskolbens I wouldn't be able to use - because everyone online is talking about how easy it is to make them on hotheads and does not specify that it ONLY works with pure propane or mapp.
I've done it with propane, and chemtane. And now, natural gas for a minor.
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Old 2015-12-03, 6:08am
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No. I had to get a double fuel torch..... So I can use them now. I just haven't figured it out and haven't had the patience
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