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2005-07-09, 6:23pm
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GET YOUR BEAD ON!!!!
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devit from edp blowing all over my beads!
Does anyone have a clue how to use EDP stringer and not get devit blown all over the bead? I thought about encasing the edp in clear and then pulling stringer but I don't know if that would stop it.
I made a series of black with edp scrolling and they have devit all over them! I tried my toilet bowl cleaner - "The Works" but it didn't work (I guess it should say WORKS on toilets but not beads silly) My Walmart doesn't have Wink which I've seen others use. Coke - nope, nothing so I tried lightly etching - and I mean swishing the bead and then rinsing and it etching the whole thing.
I've seen that tutorial and it works well for beads made of edp I can even make beads from edp if I keep them hot and not mess around too much- my problem is I'm using EDP as stringer decoration and getting "blow-over devit" all over the rest of the bead. I can't heat too much in the flame or the stringer will melt in or distort. Plus I have to cool the bead to some degree to add other decoration and the problem just explodes when I put the bead back into a good flame.
I really like edp but this is killing me....any ideas? 
Thanks!
Audra
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2005-07-10, 5:46am
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The one thing I have learned about EDP is it doesn't like being flashed in the flame. This is what causes the devitrification. You almost have to heat it to glowing to keep this from happening. If you can get the stringer applied and the other decoration before putting it back into the flame, you may be okay, but it will be tough! Another alternative would be to try Lauscha opaque lavender. The color is similar to edp, with no devit, and lauscha is stiffer. Good Luck!
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2005-07-10, 5:59am
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Buff the bad boys! Rouge and a polishing wheel do wonders for soft glass. 
If that doesn't work... i don't know what will.
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2005-07-10, 6:40am
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Put the EDP on LAST and DO NOT reheat it. This may not be possible with some bead designs, so I avoid it by only doing designs that allow me to do this.
If you HAVE to reheat, then ALL the EDP must be brought back to low red heat and then the entire bead removed from the flame and allowed to cool. At this point, look at it and see if the devit is gone.
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2005-07-10, 7:29am
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GET YOUR BEAD ON!!!!
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I didn't even think to check lauscha - just got some glassdaddy glass in but not that. I'll switch in a heartbead. Goodbye stupid edp that ruins my pretty beads!!!
Mr. Smiley - I had thought of that but don't know what to use. I've heard others using thier dremel but what kind of polish should I get? The Zam stuff or something else?
You guys are awesome!!
Audra
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2005-07-10, 8:53am
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You can encase the EDP and it will work better. Of course you've gotten some great tips already.
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2005-07-10, 11:39am
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I use the dremel with a little polishing wheel and some rouge... or the green polish. I can't tell the diff. Whatever is closer to the dremel is what I use at the time.
The cotton wheels last a long time... the felt looking ones will work, but keep it slower or they'll spin off.
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2005-07-10, 12:12pm
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Thanks - I'll look at my Rio tools catalog and see what is in there. I was just starting to dabble in silversmithing and realized it would be a terribly expensive addiction/addition to my current glass addiction. This simple rouge and cotton wheel may lead to terrible things Brent....  So if my Visa starts smokin' I'm going to blame you! (I have to blame someone!)
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2005-07-12, 7:47pm
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What is EDP?
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2005-07-12, 7:48pm
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Evil Detrifying Purple - moretti 254 I think. It is a pretty purple/orchid color that is beautiful but just plain nasty to work with.
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2005-07-13, 3:14am
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Effetre/Moretti Fuscia Purple #254.
Interestingly, I've never gotten 'Fuscia Purple' as a color in a bead. I always end up with a darker translucent purple. The Itialians always say we use too much heat on their precious glass, maybe thats it.
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2005-07-13, 4:48pm
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Ok, another newbie question. What's detrifying? Is there some sort of lampworkers glossary where a novice can learn all this stuff?
Thanks,
Heather
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2005-07-13, 4:51pm
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Devitrifying is when a color turns chalky or scummy. It is related to the cooling and heating temp of glass. I think you have probably found the best glossary...any one here that knows the answer will help 
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2005-07-13, 8:11pm
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my latest EDP beads are selling for $32 
me and EDP have a love affair!! LOL
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2006-04-03, 9:21pm
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So please tell me your secret to that beautiful set. I have a hard time with edp but yours looks so great what gives.
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2006-04-04, 10:45am
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Cheryl:
Niiiiice! You got it down!
Joanna
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2006-04-05, 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by cherishbear
my latest EDP beads are selling for $32
me and EDP have a love affair!! LOL |
I usually have good luck with EDP too *IF* I am making beads like Cheryl's. Cheryl's are impressive because she was able to add black dots to some of them and still keep a shiny EDP surface. You'd have to add that black, and melt the dots without heating the EDP or you have to add the black and then reheat the entire bead while you melt the dots into shape and be done with it. Or maybe she has a better way she can tell you.
As long as I can re-heat the entire bead without going back afterward, the color is great and there is no devit. Trying to make beads with EDP stringer is another thing altogether. You have to be really good at doing the stringer work all at one time, and then pop it right into the kiln.... or you have to be able to let the entire bead cool and then reheat it all at one time without losing your stringer design and THEN pop it in the kiln. In other words, don't go back after reheating. Oh, and trying to encase it before you use it will cause the color to fade a lot. At least that's my experience when I tried using it in encased floral beads.
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2006-04-05, 8:54pm
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Edp
Very Very Nice, actually, ToTallY AwEsOmE, awesome!!!!
you beat the EDP!!
wow, Monique
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Originally Posted by cherishbear
my latest EDP beads are selling for $32
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2006-04-06, 4:23am
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More glass...more glass..
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Hmmm....sometimes I *want* the EDP to devitrify...it can give a "soft" etch look to a piece where the glass has gradiations of etched and non-etched glass. For example, in the vessel at the link below. This is exactly the look I was going for 
http://www.hoolooglassworks.com/imag...yblossoms2.JPG
I'm just saying that devit *can* be your friend in some cases.
edz
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2006-04-06, 6:10am
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EDP likes hothead torches (at least it likes mine....and I use straight propane in a BBQ tank) probably because they aren't very "hot"...
my beads still s**k but the edp looks pretty on them.... 
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