They are extremely attractive.

[Aimy]

Who know how to make? Detonation effect. They are extremely attractive.Please look at these pictures. Are These effects need special material processing? or uses the alternative means?

Who can tell me the technique.


Aimy

Email bycy0514@163.com

[evilglass]

I'd guess it's dichro, probably in the needle pattern

Pretty stuff!

[Peach Blossom Beads]

Originally Posted by evilglass

I'd guess it's dichro, probably in the needle pattern

Pretty stuff!

Umm... I'd be careful giving away any info on how anything is made here. KWIM? If not, feel free to PM. But I wouldn't give any more info. Read the post again.

[fcfmountain]

Red flags were waving like mad too.

[suzanne]

lol

[Tink]

I received an email from this person and gave the same response (needle dichro). I received a very strange reply:

HI Tink:

Thanks for you information, if you needs purchase product in the China, I to be able to help you to provide the information.

Aimy

Yeah. I know. A real "duh" moment for me.

[Peach Blossom Beads]

Good job Tink!

Just kidding. Seriously, I can't believe the nerve of these people. Idjits.

[Tink]

I get, on average, about ten emails a day, plus a bunch of PMs, from all over the world from people asking me how to do things. It wasn't until after I kind of automatically responded that I thought it seemed odd. Compared to usual requests, that is.

If I am mistaken here, I will retract my comments and apologize profusely. But this one just doesn't feel right.

I don't mind helping out an individual in most cases, but I figure if a manufacturer wants to figure something like this out... Well, they can do their own research.

[evilglass]

I have to ask....do you guys think that the factories in china or india are going to buy dichro or make it themselves? Personally, I think the cost of that might be prohibitive....and if they did make pendants like the one above, few would sell without being annealed, since they wouldn't make it to the retail customer in one piece.

When I reply in threads like this, I give a material I think is being used. They'll still have a lot of research to do to figure out how to use it.

I'll give benefit of the doubt. That's my nature.

[Tink]

Well, it's my nature to give the benefit of the doubt, as well. I feel like the original information request I received (which was worded exactly as the initial post in this thread) gave the impression that it was someone asking as an individual artist. I am always happy to help individual artists when I can, with few exceptions.

What bothers me is that when all was said and done, I was left with the impression that I had been duped. If I had had the same feeling about the information request up front, I would have dismissed it.

ETA: I have had work (in another medium) ripped off and mass produced in China in the past. I figured I was safe because what I was doing was very labor intensive PLUS required a proprietary bit of hardware that I never in a million years thought they would go to the trouble to reverse-engineer and produce. I was wrong. To the tume of about a quarter million bucks. LOL!

[evilglass]

Tink-

If we (collective) who give the benefit of the doubt and share a tidbit of info on things like this are wrong....reality is that the seekers would have figured it out anyway, with or without our tidbit of info.

I mean...I've never made a dichro pendant like that. I've never personally seen needle dichro in work. I've seen it on the manufacturer site. After seeing that picture, I could make that pendant, or something darned close....probably in less than 6 hours. I'd guess that the folks that reverse engineer things like this probably could do the same.

So, that's another reason I guess I don't see a huge point to not sharing info when there's a possibility the question is from a legitimate source. If it's from a determined thief, they'll get the information eventually. If it's from a curious artist, they might not get the information, because they don't know what to ask.

[Tink]

Well, they've gotten from me all I know at this point anyway. Their other email to me was to ask how that specific dichro is manufactured.

If they're a manufacturing concern, then I do take exception to their wasting my time with their inquiries and fishing expeditions. Let their R&D people go to the source and do their jobs. Then they can either buy the materials they want or they can make it themselves.

I suppose I should be a "bigger" person, but I don't like feeling duped. I don't like my time being stolen by a company posing as an individual. Perhaps the next time I get an information request from someone I don't know, I'll ask for credentials. LOL!

[Peach Blossom Beads]

Tink:
I hope you didn't take my post wrong. I said "just kidding"LOL!

And I'm sorry they got you. I agree with you,too. Let them figure it out.

[squid]

Originally Posted by evilglass

I have to ask....do you guys think that the factories in china or india are going to buy dichro or make it themselves? Personally, I think the cost of that might be prohibitive....and if they did make pendants like the one above, few would sell without being annealed, since they wouldn't make it to the retail customer in one piece.

When I reply in threads like this, I give a material I think is being used. They'll still have a lot of research to do to figure out how to use it.

I'll give benefit of the doubt. That's my nature.

There are Chinese made dichroic pendants for sale right now in Michaels, so I doubt the cost of dichro is going to be an obstacle. They sell tons of small pendants and beads in stores so I don't see how this would be any different.

[Tink]

Originally Posted by taramag

Tink:
I hope you didn't take my post wrong. I said "just kidding"LOL!

And I'm sorry they got you. I agree with you,too. Let them figure it out.

Oh, no! I was responding to evilglass.

ETA: I just want to apologize if I'm coming across as more of a harda$$ than normal.

[silkys]

Originally Posted by evilglass

I have to ask....do you guys think that the factories in china or india are going to buy dichro or make it themselves? Personally, I think the cost of that might be prohibitive....and if they did make pendants like the one above, few would sell without being annealed, since they wouldn't make it to the retail customer in one piece.

When I reply in threads like this, I give a material I think is being used. They'll still have a lot of research to do to figure out how to use it.

I'll give benefit of the doubt. That's my nature.

Have you been to Michaels or walmart lately ? they are filled with dichro beads made in china .

BTW .. i think your answer was perfect

[evilglass]

Ah, it's ok. I'm not irritated

I have had a dead battery on a vehicle today (not the alternator, whew!), a birthday boy who has way too much energy (7 years old), a missing whooping crane egg (mating pair laid an egg day before yesterday, today the egg is gone and the pair has moved-hopefully they moved the egg, but it seems really far), trash ripped open all over the yard (probably directly related to the crane egg), dealing with the 15 year old panicking about whether she's getting into the Alpha writing camp, and I did *something* to my right arm since it's bruised all over the elbow and moving the shoulder hurts like heck. My folks are freaking out for some reason about me taking care of the animals on the property, though there's never been any issue with it the previous 4 years when they take trips, and my husband has been a royal butt for the last several weeks most of the time to me. Oh, and I have 4 auctions closing today, which probably will get no bids and 3 of them are darned nice and reasonably priced, LOL.

This is a fun discussion, LOL.



And I've seen the dichro beads...I just think that beads and pendants are different beasts, LOL. If you don't anneal a bead you've got a good chance of making it to customer without it cracking...pendants, IME, don't work so well with that with soft glass. The loop always seems to crack. I can't even batch anneal pendants and I'm darned good at it with round beads.

Promise, not getting offended or irritated. Just a discussion, and we don't have to agree on all points. I like the fact that we are discussing it. Had the post had the question Tink got, about manufacturing the dichro, I wouldn't have responded either. Or if I had I'd have said to google it, LOL.

[squid]

they have imploded pendants at Michaels these days.

[truegem]

And the picture is on a bed of rice.
Rice.....China....

Never mind, just kidding.

[menty666]

Uhhhh...the pictures of stuff on my etsy site are on rice too, I just thought it looked nice and it was cheap

I'm of the same mind that it's wise to be cautious but that's not to say there aren't some genuine artisans in China. We do have a few countries represented on here. I'm sure there are Japanese Sataki users who probably view the same sorts of requests from english folks as suspect.

In this case though, the odd response, low post count, all kind of points to a shady questioner.

[chrissij]

Originally Posted by menty666

Uhhhh...the pictures of stuff on my etsy site are on rice too, I just thought it looked nice and it was cheap

Well, you know those Chinese and their rice...and they can even eat it with chop sticks. I can't eat anything with chop sticks.

[Aimy]

Originally Posted by squid

they have imploded pendants at Michaels these days.

Oh, sorry, Oh, that 's awful! Let Tink feel I am deceiving him .This merely is an information exchange, I accidentally open this website, I start to suspect their function, Tips, Techniques, and Questions? No.
CBS and savoy, can sell theirs material the world any country. On sells the gold foil and the silver leaf like China is same, each (9Cm*9CM 24K) the gold foil in China only sells $1. This is the realistic matter, the trade.
But I have not simply wanted to deceive Tink.
Sorry.

Aimy

[melzip]

LMAO!!!

Originally Posted by truegem

And the picture is on a bed of rice.
Rice.....China....

Never mind, just kidding.

[menty666]

Originally Posted by chrissij

Well, you know those Chinese and their rice...and they can even eat it with chop sticks. I can't eat anything with chop sticks.

The trick is to use a starchy rice like sushi rice so it'll stick together. That uncle ben's stuff isn't going to cut it.

[suzanne]

Let Tink feel I am deceiving him

Ehm Tink is definetly not a him...

[Tink]

True... true...

[castaway]

as this is an open forum it is bound to be used as a resource by the Asian sweat shops, you are all so nice and free with techniques and the materials you use, tutorials and all. If you want to be safe then close the membership and make it paid up members only, perhaps new members should have to be sponsored by existing members.
B

[theglasszone]

Wow!

Aimy: Because we are all artists here, we are careful to respect the techniques of one another. We are close and look out for each other - it would be very nice for you to tell us a little about yourself so we can get to know you also. We would love to see some photos of your work. Hope you can share them with us and your knowledge as well.

DeAnne in CA

[Peach Blossom Beads]

Aimy:
I'd love to see pictures of your work, too. I'd also love to see a picture of your studio. What kind of torch do you use? What kind of glass?

Usually people introduce themselves first. Here, we're a family sharing ideas and techniques among other things. We welcome new members all the time. However, the best way to start here is not to demand info and then act defensive. Tell us about yourself and we'd be more than happy to welcome you.

[G.L.McBead]

Dichroalcemy tells how to do this on thier web site.
G.