the sicence of implosions

James Lewis · #1 2012-08-18, 1:04pm

Okay now everyone knows what a implosion is but not everyone knows how it works. Like so i thought it would be a good idea to ask the veterans of the glass world how does it work what exactly happens. So that us newbies will maybe be able to better understand so we can create more elaborate and delicate details. Thank you for the info

istandalone24/7 · #2 2012-08-18, 3:56pm

basically the glass stretches as it gets drooped around the maria, and then sorta folded under when you compress it.

i'm not a vet, and that's about the chintzyest explanation i've ever seen lol, but that's about the size of it i think. too many beers at this point to be more articulate.

PerfectDeb · #3 2012-08-18, 4:08pm

When you heat the edges it wants to ball up, (hot glass wants to be round) when you press it down it pushes the hot glass against the colder more solid glass and that makes it flare

Thanks Cosmo

Oh, and sooooo not a veteran

istandalone24/7 · #4 2012-08-19, 2:57am

that, was so much more eloquent then mine!!

James Lewis · #5 2012-08-19, 8:22am

I have to say it was lol but still curious into how people are able to make figures in them instead of just patterns or is that just what they are patterns to form figures?

istandalone24/7 · #6 2012-08-19, 9:03am

perhaps what your seeing is some stump sucker work?

oh yea, what NOT to do. when laying a line of cobalt (thin rod) don't push too hard, thus breaking the rod and sending the sharp edge into my middle finger...about 1.5" gash. i thought i'd need stitches (probably do) but good ole locktite 420 (super thin, super strong bond) super glue to the rescue!

James Lewis · #7 2012-08-19, 9:23am

Wicked glass marbles that have the alien looking thing in it its in glass line and a show and tell on here from a year or two ago

istandalone24/7 · #8 2012-08-19, 9:40am

i just subscribed to glassline this month, so it's the only issue that i've got. it's not the current mag your speaking of, is it?

these from juba glass?

if that's what your talking about i just stumbled across how to do it a few nights ago. took my a while to figure it out. i've bought 4 of this guys marbles because they're so damn original. very cool to look at close up.

Three Muses Glass · #9 2012-08-19, 9:58am

James, Voic did a YouTube for his spiders. Is that the type of figurative thing you mean? The sound kind of goes in and out but there are lots of pics. He used to stop by here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHNMRBj803E

James Lewis · #10 2012-08-19, 10:04am

Heres the one im meaning its wickedglass's marbles about halfway down the page. http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/sh...19#post3603719

theglasszone · #11 2012-08-19, 10:11am

Do you mean Post # 11, here? http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/sh...19#post3603719

theglasszone · #12 2012-08-19, 10:13am

If so, James, I agree - this is an amazing "Alien" piece! I have tried several times to find information on this technique...not much luck though

ETA: It may be that this design is layed onto a maria - stripe by stripe. Sort of like painting onto the maria using stringers and dots - then clear is added to seal the image and it is then slightly imploded. That's my "guess" at least...

istandalone24/7 · #13 2012-08-19, 10:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Lewis

Heres the one im meaning its wickedglass's marbles about halfway down the page. http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/sh...19#post3603719

wow!

theglasszone · #14 2012-08-19, 10:30am

OK, James - I think this may give you a bit of an answer...not a "reveal" by any means, but an indication that our Wicked Glass member has taken much time to develop this amazing technique: http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/sh...06#post4004906

For all it's worth, I completely admire and respect Wicked's fab designs!

As an artist as well, I yield to any personal desires to keep "techniques" and "trade secrets" just that - PRIVATE! I would be first in line if he ever decides to share his technique in tutorial format, but for now I figure we can just keep enjoying his photoing and sharing of his amazing creations...

And dreaming!

James Lewis · #15 2012-08-19, 10:53am

I agree i enjoy the idea of trying to figure out how he did it or taking the stride to look for the answer and maybe making my own method in that madness. People like that put their work up to tease us and to make us push ourselves not be as good but to better in our own ways. as artists we should admire their work but not copy it stay true to ourselves learn our own ways. If we dont then you get boring repation.

theglasszone · #16 2012-08-19, 11:20am

What a wonderful statement James! It says so much more about YOU as an artist and a person...and I really appreciate and admire you more than ever!

James Lewis · #17 2012-08-19, 11:50am

I wouldnt go that far i think that the lack of being able to do any glass work for so long has really messed with me lol i just hope i dont go insane before i can light up my torch again lol.

istandalone24/7 · #18 2012-08-19, 12:07pm

can you set up outside in the mean time?

James Lewis · #19 2012-08-19, 12:39pm

Ew not really i dont like the idea of having all that expensive equipment out in the open

Bunyip · #20 2012-08-19, 7:25pm

I think what Christian is doing with those particular pieces isn't an implosion. He's called them "fakies" in the past. I'm not sure what he's doing exactly but if you look at some of them closely you can get an an hint of a possibility of an inkling of some of what's involved.

cheng076 · #21 2012-08-19, 8:12pm

They look like tube implosions to me. That's where the thin line with the fume around it comes from.

James Lewis · #22 2012-08-19, 9:00pm

I think the glass zones idea is one to try i say the same method but blow a then buble overthe desgined area. Also maybe instead of a large maria maybe a large blown bubble flattened on one end then covered in a thin coat of clear then imploded

Bunyip · #23 2012-08-20, 4:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheng076

They look like tube implosions to me. That's where the thin line with the fume around it comes from.

Yeah except he said they're not really implosions. It's all very confusing.

theglasszone · #24 2012-08-20, 9:41pm

Yes Chris, very confusing but mysterious and wonderful! If nothing else, this gets the creative juices flowing and ideas just pinging like crazy, right?

It's awesome!

James Lewis · #25 2012-08-20, 10:12pm

Off we go to the brainstorming room hehe

Bunyip · #26 2012-08-21, 5:51am

My best guess is something like a planet marble, pre-made flameworked elements assembled and separated by clear as necessary (possibly on a bubble, or a maria) gently worked in and lensed. The order and specifics however, are where the magic comes in... and make no mistake about it, Christian is a virtuoso

cheng076 · #27 2012-08-21, 11:14am

We may also be getting some confusion from terminology. Some people refer to that technique as condensing. IIRC a point is opened up to a bell shape and fumed inside. Then various designs are placed over the fume, or not, and the bell is condensed and twisted. Then a backing design etc is placed on the gather, worked in and the whole thing rounded up. --simplified version --

Bunyip · #28 2012-08-21, 11:55am

yeah terminology is probably not the problem. Condensing is more of a hollow form-oriented term, ie: I/O work. Designs on the outside of a bubble which is then condensed are implosions.

Maybe Wicked could come and clarify the difference

James Lewis · #29 2012-08-21, 2:00pm

That would be awesome i really do enjoy his work and hope i can get a grasp on some day.

menty666 · #30 2012-08-23, 11:24am

As for the original question/comment...

I think of implosions like those "water snake" toys

You push down, and the stuff on the inside gets pulled towards the outside, in the case of an implosion, dragging the color along with it.