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2007-07-22, 7:23pm
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Any tips on getting my Bullseye Amber luster to turn gold instead of blah?
I am having trouble getting my Be Amber Luster to turn a bright gold instead of a darker ick color - and a similar problem with the blue luster.
I have tried reducing it by turning up the propane and turning down the oxy. I got a couple of spots of bright gold but overall it is a dirty looking metallic.
Any help appreciated 
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2007-07-22, 7:29pm
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Bookmarking this. I have the same problem. *sigh*
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2007-07-22, 7:43pm
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Bullseye Torch tips has something about how to use these. I think they said to reduce them down near the cones but can't remember for sure.
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2007-07-22, 7:53pm
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2007-07-22, 8:04pm
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Thanks but I have read those - I'm just getting inconsistent results and need some help
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2007-07-22, 8:15pm
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I found the best way to get it to shimmer gold is to hold it high in a reduction flame.
I create the bead not thinking much about the reduction. Once it is ready for it's shine I let it cool as if I were going to strike the color. Then I turn up the propane and hold the bead up in the top part of my working flame. The place I go to keep a bead base warm while melting a huge gather to encase. I watch for the shimmer to happen. I know I've gone too low if I see the sooty gray. You can just blast the soot spot with oxy and get it to go away if it isn't too far gone.
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2007-07-22, 8:17pm
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so Suzy, do you roll the bead in the cones of the flames, or out beyond them?
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2007-07-22, 8:17pm
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One more note.... I don't make it a strong reduction flame. I make sure there is still a good amount of oxy going. Sort of the point where your rubino would go cloudy but not get sooty.
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2007-07-22, 8:18pm
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No, I don't get into the cones at all.
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2007-07-22, 8:20pm
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hmmm... Ok, not in the cones. Sounds like I am trying to reduce it too fast. I've never used rubino, so that reference doesn't mean anything to me  - but it might to someone else!
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2007-07-22, 8:27pm
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Another way to describe it, using a scale of 1 to 10, my regular reducing flame would be 8 for propane and 2 for oxy. My reducing flame for amber lustre is 7 for propane and 4 for oxy.
I need a chart! Oxy gets a scale and Propane gets a scale.
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2007-07-22, 8:28pm
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so 11 on a scale of 1 to 10? 
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2007-07-22, 8:37pm
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lol!! You clearly didn't see my hands describing each got their own scale but I think you got it anyway. Must be that x-ray vision.
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2007-07-22, 8:38pm
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I am going to try again tomorrow night - thanks for the tips!
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2007-07-24, 7:20pm
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I use to have a lot of trouble reducing also, but it's easy now. My method is much different from what was posted though. I never had too much luck stricking high up in the flame. This is what I do. I turn the oxy way down and the gas up ( I have a big yellow flame). At first I keep the bead out of the flame and skim the top of the bead with the yellow flame. After a few seconds I am waving the whole bead into the flame letting the yellow flame hit it all over. I am working maybe 1/4" to 1/2" above the flame. I'm not getting soot either. I work with natural gas and two oxygen concentrators. Also should note that I like to shut off one of the concentrators when I do this, otherwise it will start beeping. I know this isn't good for the concentrator, but I don't do it very often. Good luck to you.
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2007-07-24, 7:36pm
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thanks for the tip Patsy. I will give that a try!
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2007-07-24, 9:03pm
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I don't think I'm terribly consistent in my adjustments for getting a reduction flame. I usually turn the propane up, and get pretty long yellow candles. For me the trick with the amber luster is that it likes just a quick flash through the reducing flame. It's easy to over-reduce, but you can get rid of the ugly stuff by going back to a neutral flame and then trying again.
I haven't played as much with the peacock luster.
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2007-07-26, 7:27pm
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I have the same problem Squid. I just about decided I am luster challenged.
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2007-07-26, 7:29pm
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me too - I tried again last night and still didn;t get what I wanted exactly 
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2007-07-26, 7:31pm
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I heard once if you anneal lower it helps. I tried it and cracked a marble of Greg's in the process and still no change. He was none to thrilled with me.
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