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Old 2012-04-24, 9:58am
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Has anybody actually asked Emma what the capacity of the ventilation system is, instead of criticizing it from the outset ?
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But with 10 torches running the ventilation capacity needs to be about 8-10,000 cfm and the few ceiling vents I can see is obviously are not enough....

....Obviously you have no clue to where the 'Safety Forum' is located or have been reading anything in it... Where there is at least 45 pages of documentation to help improve your studio lives and to keep safety...

http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=39

Dear ones, its not all glitz, glamor and skills at the torch, there are hidden things that can hurt you or kill you out there and some are invisible to the naked (uneducated ) eye...

Yes I have read all the comments up to this point, and Mark may be gruff and impersonal but that is the way I am also.... I will not back down for my comments so condemn if you will but it only shows your indifference to the health and safety to yourself and those around you ....

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Your comments here are rude and condescending. 1. All you can see is the vent covers...you have no idea what is behind them.
2. She "obviously doesn't know where the 'safety forum' is..." ?? Rude - how do you know??
Acting like you care...give me a break. You use your "knowledge" to talk down to people.

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WOW....i do not frequent LE much anymore...i am told that i am gruff, for this i am sorry. but the ventilation in this room (yes i did see the vents) are the same as for any commercial building. look up next time your are at costco. this type of ventilation is not designed for the generation of combustion byproducts. then you need to use industial rather than commercial standards. this requires some sort of hood or directed vent. light a stick of insence in the studio in the same location as a torch. if anyone can smell it at all, your ventilation is not safe.
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Again judging a picture...a ventilation system by the plastic or metal vent covers in the ceiling??? You have no idea what is behind them. wow.
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Old 2012-04-24, 10:10am
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I have been there several times, took a 2 day class last year and the ventilation is perfect.
The studio is awesome, tailor made and totally fit for purpose.
It's a fantastic resource for us, and Emma - you rock x
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Old 2012-04-24, 10:28am
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I don't know where my posts disappeared to, but I have to apologise if I misunderstood, I think the excessive use of exclamation points made me assume it was an expletive
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Old 2012-04-24, 12:13pm
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The studio is gorgeous Emma. Having being lucky enough to attend several fully booked, courses, I had absolutely no qualms in booking to attend Bronwen Heilman's course this coming September, something I wouldn't have done if I had any concerns regarding my safety.

The setting is absolutely charming too, being in the beautiful Yorkshire Wolds a source of inspiration for David Hockney's recent London Exhibition, and only 8 miles or so from the Coast. I can highly recommend the area to anyone wishing to visit from the States. Lots to see and do as well as attend courses run by the highly professional and friendly team at Tuffnells.
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Old 2012-04-24, 12:18pm
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What a lovely space!

Please don't consider the posts of two people to be a consensus. More people "from across the pond" have said nice things about your studio. And it has nothing to do with the country we all live in. That's stereotyping. I was more offended by that comment than your ventilation system. It would akin to me saying Brits don't care about ventilation based solely on the photos of your studio.

It really is a lovely space.
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Old 2012-04-24, 1:53pm
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i would imagine from the number of high profile lampwork teachers Tuffnells attract who come back time and again any issue with the ventilation would have been pointed out. I also know many people who have been on courses and have never once heard anyone comment on it.

I am also perfectly sure that the expert Emma had install the system understood the ventilation requirements for combustibles... after all we're not the only type of business that burns things and with the extensive health and safety laws in the UK the system would have had to be checked extensively.
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Old 2012-04-24, 9:30pm
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Woa Nelly!

This has gotten out of hand and offence has been taken where I can see none delibertly(sp, I'm tired from fishing all day) given until feathers got ruffled.

As Dale and Laseglass have commented some of us take safety as the very top priority in any studio and when viewing pictures of a studio immediately assess the safety of what is shown.

Your studio and workplace are indeed spacious and beautifully appointed. Your picture does not convey what is the usual ventilation mechanicals as installed in pretty much all studios in the USA. The vent openings shown are typically used in the USA as 'comfort' distribution vents and not as contaminant removal vents. I see your later explain those vents and that they were professionally done.

The LE safety police may have made snap judgements but they were based on your photos. You failed to mention/explain or make clear what seemed a lack of ventilation as typically seen in the uSA. Both sides in the wrong.

I am really supprised how polarized the comments have been. For myself I appologize if I have offended you. I ask that you keep in mind that my interest is your safety. I come back to this thread tonight after post #6 so I did not see your explanation until now. You have every reason to be extremely proud of your studio and your team but I feel this forum is friendly and supportive and I would hate to think you and your supporters thought otherwise and left as then you make the same mistake and prejudge without experiencing the forum for a time.

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Old 2012-04-25, 11:01am
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The studio is gorgeous but I am really glad for the people that comment on ventilation. I had no idea how to set up my ventilation but from reading here and asking questions I learned how to make my set up safe. So thanks to the people who comment.
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Old 2012-05-01, 5:45pm
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Im sorry? I joined this forum as I was told that you were all a very nice bunch of people. Obviously I was wrong. All I have done is post pictures of something I'm proud of. If there is a problem with my hoods and vents then you could just have stated what it was and I would have done something about it.
I'm sorry that this is how you treat people over the pond.
Not a nice experience
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Emma, Please don't leave and don't judge all of us LE'ers on some comments I'm "almost" sure were initially made with good intent, even though they may have been made in poor taste (can't say for sure, I didn't see them all).
I love your studio and outdoor space. The setting reminds me of a winery setting where you can chill after a hot day at the torch. If I am ever lucky enough to visit the Uk, I also hope I am lucky enough to spend time in your studio. I would feel very comfortable and safe in this setting and I'm also comfortable knowing you have taken the precautions with hiring a professional (which a lot of new studios have not had I might add) to install your beautiful ventilation setting. Torch on! and have fun. Here from the other side of the pond as you say.
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Old 2012-05-02, 6:48am
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Once again you are making assumptions. You do not know anything about her ventilation except what the covers of her vents look like.

You do not know. Period.
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Old 2012-05-02, 7:09am
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Old 2012-05-02, 4:31pm
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Once again you are making assumptions. You do not know anything about her ventilation except what the covers of her vents look like.

You do not know. Period.
Any you are the design engineer that calculated the flow through those vents?

For the design aspect of the ventilation grills they can not move the desired flow of air that is required to keep a the room "clean" with all 10 large torches running... It would need a minimum of 8-10000 cfm to keep air safe in room and I don't see it in the vent grills and the studio owner so far has not show any desire to defend the design by giving any numbers....

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Old 2012-05-02, 5:39pm
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Any you are the design engineer that calculated the flow through those vents?

For the design aspect of the ventilation grills they can not move the desired flow of air that is required to keep a the room "clean" with all 10 large torches running... It would need a minimum of 8-10000 cfm to keep air safe in room and I don't see it in the vent grills and the studio owner so far has not show any desire to defend the design by giving any numbers....

Dale

Nope. Are you? Therefore you can't just assume her ventilation is not safe. She stated "... we had a ventilation specialist install vent and hidden hoods into the loft area..."

She doesn't need to "defend" herself to you or anyone else. She came here to show off her space that she is (and should be) proud of. YOU and select few are making HUGE assumptions. YOU DO NOT KNOW what is going on with her ventilation. And really, it's none of your business. She did not ask for your opinion. She came to show off...she didn't ask for help.

If you are so concerned... go check it out yourself or talk to her. Otherwise you are just being rude, insulting, and condescending.
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Old 2012-05-03, 4:03am
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I was asked to return as one of our customer said they had seen the thread and though I should defend myself. I don't really want to to be honest. I'm happy with what we have done as is the rest of the team. We do know what we are doing. We have a collective hot glass knowledge between three of us of over 60 years and the rest of the staff have never keeled over in there or complained in anyway! Even so we got a second opinion on our ventilation system because we were going against the norm and not having exposed hoods. the first picture was before the ventilation system was fitted and before we opened!(they are there you just can't see them and thats the whole point!). I should not have to defend what we have done and why! I just wanted to say hello and show off the studio. If you really do think the system is flawed then I will of course get a third opinion but at the end of the day we designed it to work and we spent almost as much on it as we did the actual building.
I was going to delete this thread because as you can imagine been grilled about the extraction was not what I wanted and certainly wont generate any positive advertisements, but then I realised that everyone who has visited our studio has been more than a little impresses with the whole system. So I will let the students and teachers who have seen it working decide for themselves.
I repeat, I will not defend myself further. I am going back to what matters, our customers.
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Old 2012-05-03, 4:52am
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I was asked to return as one of our customer said they had seen the thread and though I should defend myself. I don't really want to to be honest. I'm happy with what we have done as is the rest of the team. We do know what we are doing. We have a collective hot glass knowledge between three of us of over 60 years and the rest of the staff have never keeled over in there or complained in anyway! Even so we got a second opinion on our ventilation system because we were going against the norm and not having exposed hoods. the first picture was before the ventilation system was fitted and before we opened!(they are there you just can't see them and thats the whole point!). I should not have to defend what we have done and why! I just wanted to say hello and show off the studio. If you really do think the system is flawed then I will of course get a third opinion but at the end of the day we designed it to work and we spent almost as much on it as we did the actual building.
I was going to delete this thread because as you can imagine been grilled about the extraction was not what I wanted and certainly wont generate any positive advertisements, but then I realised that everyone who has visited our studio has been more than a little impresses with the whole system. So I will let the students and teachers who have seen it working decide for themselves.
I repeat, I will not defend myself further. I am going back to what matters, our customers.
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Old 2012-05-03, 1:06pm
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I will absolutely have this on my list of places to visit when I get over there. It's a lovely studio - bright and spacious just the way I like it.
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Old 2012-05-03, 8:32pm
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It looks like a fantastic studio. I would love to visit!

Humans are by nature inventive. Who is to say that this gorgeous space doesn't have perfectly adequate venting in this 400 year old building without being there or knowing the specs?

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Old 2012-05-04, 5:46pm
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Hi Emma, I hope you don't leave, the people here are really a great bunch. Yes, some of us are very blunt when we see what looks like a health issue, but those same people will also bend over backwards to provide information to anyone that asks. The bottom line is they don't want to see someone get sick or die because they were misinformed by a professional. None of the blunt big mouths here will ever have to think, "If only I had spoke up that person might not have gotten sick or died"

There have been a number of cases where a professional was consulted on ventilation, but that professional had little to no background with lamp working and lamp working related ventilation. The proper professional needs to understand that they are dealing with, for all intents and purposes, a chemical/Laboratory fume hood that just so happens to have a torch and be used for melting and shaping glass and may even have metal powders added to the mix.

I would not let a friend drive drunk, I also will not stand by and let a friend risk their health over a ventilation issue. I'm no professional, but with the vent windows at the ceiling, the make up air may cause contaminated air to be trapped instead of being vented out. Not sure about that, but someone how knows air flow/currents and the type of contamination that lamp working creates will be able to answer that.

BTW, a smoke test might shut us big mouths up. Basically incense sticks are lit at each torch with the ventilation system running. If you can smell the incense while in the drivers seat of any torch, there is a problem. If you can't, please come back and tell us all to STFU about the ventilation

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