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Old 2009-02-02, 10:30am
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I had gotten an email asking me if there had been any changes in 591254 purple (EDP). A customer was concerned that there had been changes because she liked the way the old worked. I just got an email from Effetre that told me that there were no changes in the formula or the way it is made. I was told like usual there can be tonality changes, but I do not think this is her concern.

I also asked about the Mocha. Many months ago I was sent samples of Mocha. We tested them and thought the glass devitrified like 254 and decided not to carry it. Somebody else bought it and began selling it and it may end up being a very nice color. I can obtain that color from Effetre if I want and wanted to know if you have tried it, what did you think? Like or dislike? Would you buy it again? Your answers will help me decide to get it or not get it.

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Old 2009-02-02, 11:12am
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I would love a mocha that devit-ed I love the texture and it would be a wonderful sand for my seascape series I do. I'm in for pounds and pounds
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Old 2009-02-02, 2:45pm
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Mocha looks to me like the real chestnut brown that everybody wants. I would go for it even if it is a new incarnation of evil.
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Old 2009-02-02, 3:46pm
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Hi Mike, I have it, and really like it. It can be tricky but it really is beautiful. Karen
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Old 2009-02-02, 6:07pm
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I would so go for a devit mocha! EDP is seriously my favorite color because of it's devit and tonal changes!
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Old 2009-02-10, 11:56pm
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Anything that devits like the evil one I am gonna eagerly try! I will be in your area with Kimberly on the 16th and 17th Mike. Can I get some to play with then? Maybe take a few pounds home?
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Old 2009-02-11, 8:25am
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Hi Mike, that was me who emailed you. I use the devit to make my signature color so would hate to loose that.

I'd be interest too in another color that would devit. Mark me down.
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Old 2009-02-11, 8:39am
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me too ,I would love to try it out, I agree with Kimberly, I would love to have some.
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After seeing everyone else's response, OF COURSE I will try it....I too like the devitrification that EDP does, and have learned some workarounds when I do not want it to react.
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Old 2009-02-11, 11:18am
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To me, Mocha, Sedona and EDP are nearly the same thing, just with a brownish hue to the Mocha. Personally, I was disappointed that it didn't maintain the color in the rod - that's gorgeous. But it devits so bad on my HH that this is what I get - looks nothing like the rod:


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Old 2009-02-11, 11:55am
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I LOVE LooOOvE that bead Amber!
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While the formula for the "new" batches of EDP may be the same, the rods are certainly different. Not just thicker, but VERY shocky , and the color doesn't seem as vivid. I lost 3 inches before I gave up on the new rod and found a rod of the old stuff.

I haven't seen the mocha, but I'd love to try it out!
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I was hearing that the makers are sending the "seconds" to the USA. Not sure how true that is.. can anyone shed some light on this?
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Old 2009-02-12, 8:59am
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While the formula for the "new" batches of EDP may be the same, the rods are certainly different. Not just thicker, but VERY shocky , and the color doesn't seem as vivid. I lost 3 inches before I gave up on the new rod and found a rod of the old stuff.

I haven't seen the mocha, but I'd love to try it out!
I had no idea there was a difference until I used some of this latest batch and wondered what was wrong with it. The color is definitely lighter, and it doesn't seem to spread as much. Maybe it is only normal variation, but I don't recall this drastic a change between batches until now. I was able to grab some older stuff from ABR in Tucson, so I'll be able to compare the two instead of relying on memory.
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Old 2009-02-12, 10:51am
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I was hearing that the makers are sending the "seconds" to the USA. Not sure how true that is.. can anyone shed some light on this?
Really? Wow.

I am sure many would be interested to know if this is true or not,that isn't a good rumor to have going around about a product or the maker.

Hopefully someone will see this that knows what is going on and shed
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Old 2009-02-12, 11:44am
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I was hearing that the makers are sending the "seconds" to the USA. Not sure how true that is.. can anyone shed some light on this?
Ok, so who said the glass makers are sending "seconds" to the USA?

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While the formula for the "new" batches of EDP may be the same, the rods are certainly different. Not just thicker, but VERY shocky , and the color doesn't seem as vivid. I lost 3 inches before I gave up on the new rod and found a rod of the old stuff.
Really? Oh man...I am on my last two rods of the old EDP and at the price it is now, I won't be replacing it, if this is the case.

Wow glad I came here and read this before placing a re-order.

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LOL - I'll keep buying the old EDP until its no longer available, I'm afraid. I love the color too much and the new EDP just isn't what I want.
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LOL - I'll keep buying the old EDP until its no longer available, I'm afraid. I love the color too much and the new EDP just isn't what I want.
Who still has, or who can you order the old from?

I am pretty sure my supplier up here will have the new batches. I am going to email her and ask, but I am sure she won't have the old anymore.
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oh sorry that was rude of me to ask Nicole. I completely understand if you don't want to give that info out.
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Ok, so who said the glass makers are sending "seconds" to the USA?

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It was something that was told to me about 20 months ago... I forget who said it but it was at the 2007 gathering. You know, I know better then repeating things I don't know for fact. I am hoping that I am understanding this question from you as a no, they are not seconds. Or was that a question as to who is spilling the beans?
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I've also heard this rumour (long time ago known - that americans get the seconds - or at least what the Italians don't care about - may be malicious rumour but) ... and I had some (perhaps???) proof of it last summer when I took a class with an old glass master who had rods of colors and thicknesses I had never seen (brought them with him) - all of it had been hand made for him at the factory (he had friends in high places)!
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Can't blame him, if I had connections I wouldn't buy off the shelf either.

I have a friend who lived on the island a couple of years ago, and he talked about how when they needed glass they would just walk (or rather boat over) to the Moretti factory and pick out what they wanted, so I don't think it's so much that they are sending us the seconds, but rather that the masters and locals get first choice.

It only makes sense that that's the way it works... I wish I lived closer to Frantz's and could pick up my own glass too.
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To me, Mocha, Sedona and EDP are nearly the same thing, just with a brownish hue to the Mocha. Personally, I was disappointed that it didn't maintain the color in the rod - that's gorgeous. But it devits so bad on my HH that this is what I get - looks nothing like the rod:
This was my experience with Mocha too . . . very much like a brown EDP.
I experimented with a quickie "pandora" type bead and here's the bead compared to the rod. The bead has as bit of devit on it, but I sort of like it on a smaller bead. I too wish the rod stayed true to color, I'd love to see a nice rich brown instead of a reddish brown. If you love EDP, you'll love mocha:


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Here is Mocha encased with Lauscha clear. (Yes Lauscha Clear!)
I think it's really pretty! I have not had more time to experiment with it but I like it!
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Encased with Lauscha it looks like Sandstone. (Can you imagine what a really good beadmaker could do with this color??)

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Your spacers look like mine did Paula. They had a little devit near the holes but its a really pretty brown.
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What an absolutely YUMMY color. We can get past devit the same way we do with EDP.
Anything to expand our color palette into warm earthtones.
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Beautiful beads everyone! I also like this glass, the 4 dark rounds are Mocha and the middle bead as well, i like the ancient look of the middle bead
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It devits like crazy and i personally think it's harder to get the devit away than with EDP.


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