CIM Gellys Sty - Page 4

jesnbec73 · #91 2024-08-11, 9:01am

ASK is only doing their belladonna line of glass for now as far as I know, it's great stuff, expensive though. I saw something about Nortel having some ASK colors, https://www.facebook.com/GlassDivers...1045697923211/ is the link that came up, I don't do FB so I didn't dig into it any further than a google search hit. If that is indeed a pile of ASK colors, and it looks legit, let me know! LOL I've never bought glass from Nortel, but if they have some of ASK's old stuff, that might change for sure.

echeveria · #92 2024-08-11, 3:16pm

ASK stands for Arrow Springs Kugler. Kugler made the glass, Arrow Springs marketed it. Once the compatibility and batch variation problems arose, Arrow Springs dropped out, and Kugler sold their remaining product through other distributors as Kugler 104. You can still find a bit of it here and there, maybe more overseas than here in the US, but as far as I know they will not be producing any more. The link is from an announcement from 2022, but it is always worth calling Nortel to see if they have something on hand.

danieljanse · #93 2024-08-12, 8:51am

That is pretty fascinating to me! Hot Color Glass sells Kugler 104. They also sell normal Kugler so make sure you are on the proper page! I tried to get some gold ruby and they were all out. Seems like they have a lot of the remaining product.

https://hotglasscolor.com/product-ca...gler/104-cane/

echeveria · #94 2024-08-12, 11:01am

There's a thread here somewhere with an xref from the ASK to the Kugler numbers and names. Bahia Blue is really the only one with the same name. Maybe I can find the thread

echeveria · #95 2024-08-12, 11:05am

http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=109951

echeveria · #96 2024-08-12, 11:11am

And this thread has some excellent information from Nagi Beads on her compatibility testing.

http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=87687

rainygrrl · #97 2024-09-01, 12:20pm

Kathy, thanks! I had never heard about compatibility issues and never had any myself, but I use a conservative annealing program and often have success with combos that others say are incompatible. And mostly I've focused on passionate pink.

Eileen · #98 2024-09-01, 2:29pm

Roberts who makes that?

danieljanse · #99 2024-09-02, 10:17am

Hey Roberta, What are you using for an anneal schedule?

rainygrrl · #**100** 2024-09-20, 2:33pm

Sorry for the delay!

Elaine, it's one of the ASK colors from around 2008. I can send you a little if you'd like.

Daniel, I will have to look when I go out to the studio.

rainygrrl · #**101** 2024-09-20, 2:37pm

Passionate pink is the color with the white center. Two rows above is Gelly's sty. Rhea in between.

Eileen · #**102** 2024-09-21, 12:50pm

Thank you for the info. I appreciate the offer but if it's something that isn't readily available now I don't want to fall in love with it LOL, but thank you anyway.

rainygrrl · #**103** 2024-09-22, 1:47pm

Eileen, I know what you mean... That's why I asked. I've decided to stop hoarding it and a few other things, might as well enjoy the colors I love while I can.

Daniel, here's what I do.
- Ramp up to 935 F (at a rate of 1600/hr if nothing's in the kiln, 420/hr if batch annealing).
- Hold at 935 for 10 hours. Then "skip step" when I'm done torching.
- Hold for 1.5 more hours.
- Ramp down 60/hr to 820. Hold for 30 min.
- Off.
I haven't tweaked this schedule for a very long time. It works for my beads and occasional small marble maybe 1" in diameter (which I make early in the session). Nothing too large.

danieljanse · #**104** 2024-09-29, 9:20am

Thanks for the schedule. I recently switched mine up based on some advice I'd received.

My studio gets REALLY hot in the summer. It was hard to get down to room temp by morning with the program I was running which also held at 800F for an hour or so. I was opening it up too quickly and work was checking. That horrible sound...

Anyway, I changed to a simple anneal schedule based on the advice of a guy who has been around glass and glass color makers a long time. At end of a blow shift I:
Hold at my anneal temp for 4 hours (950F).
Ramp down to 600F over 4 hours. (90F/hr)
Then 1 hour to RT.

His reasoning is to get THRU the strain point of glass at the slow rate. Which sits somewhere between 650-750F.

So, if you ever want to get even more conservative, you can take it down slowly to 600F. Just a thought.

P.S. Your color shelf is YUMMY! We should start a contest for a calendar of photos of the best glass color stashes based on organization and richness of color variation.

beadmama · #**105** 2024-09-29, 11:54am

JR Hooper you are near Asheville are you guys safe and ok?

rainygrrl · #**106** 2024-10-05, 1:57pm

Thanks Daniel! I may try that schedule, particularly if I start making marbles or bigger items.

jesnbec73 · #**107** 2024-10-07, 9:29am

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Originally Posted by beadmama

JR Hooper you are near Asheville are you guys safe and ok?

I am, Western North Carolina has been completely and utterly devastated. Our power just came back on yesterday and we got the first phone call we've been able to receive in a week... it's really bad you guys. The water system for Asheville NC is going to have to be rebuilt in it's entirety, and they are saying it will be months before it is operational. They are having to literally use pack mules and horses to haul supplies into some of the isolated areas that have been completely cut off by bridges and roads that were washed out. The French Broad River was 37-40 feet over flood stage, the interstates were destroyed, there was one lane of I26 that survived which was allocated to emergency traffic only. They have reopened some of those, but I40 is going to be closed for a long time to come.

There are entire towns that are wiped off the map, places like Chimney Rock are just gone, scrubbed to the foundations by debris and water. They are still recovering bodies from the debris piles and the number of people that are still missing is staggering. The main warehouse for pretty much all the local grocers was flooded, Mountain Glass is utterly destroyed, the list is endless but if it was near one of the rivers here, it's gone. At points, the Swannanoa river was a half a mile wide and it's normally not much more than a creek.

They are dropping pallets of supplies into the areas that remain cut off, there has been a lot of looting, and it's just unimaginable here. Everyone is walking around with this look on their face that is shock I think, but even with all the relief efforts going on, the death toll is going to be in the thousands. They keep saying there is only like 60 deaths, or 120 deaths, but they have recovered that many in single areas and the stories coming out of some of these places... I'm a grown man and I literally cried when our power came back on.

Guys, take a minute every day to look around you and appreciate what you have and hug the ones you love and tell them you love them every chance you get, because one day all that stuff and all those people you care about can be just wiped away. There are people we know that are gone, places we go that just aren't there anymore... I don't know what else to say other than that my wife and I lived through it and we are extremely fortunate to have done so. Cell phones don't work, power doesn't work, running water, refrigeration, all this modern technology can be taken from you and leave you completely stranded, for weeks if not months, yes, even in 2024.

We are safe and ok. There are thousands upon thousands of people in this area who are not though, it's WAY worse than what is being shown. Pray for those folks, some of these valleys and coves got over twenty inches of rain BEFORE the storm showed up and in these mountains, that just isn't survivable. I don't have the words to describe what has happened here, apocolyptic is the best I can do but I am thankful just to be alive at this point.

jesnbec73 · #**108** 2024-10-07, 9:36am

I had gotten an email from Kathy Brash a few months ago, she said she had a couple pounds of Gellys they found I guess in a warehouse or something so I greased that wheel immediately. I had totally forgotten about that, and then right in the middle of all this storm and devastation and chaos, this Fedex van comes down our driveway through limbs and debris and hands me a pound of CIM 904 Pink Gellys Sty.

jesnbec73 · #**109** 2024-10-07, 9:54am

Mountain Glass was right next to the French Broad River, it's gone guys. I donated fifty bucks to their Gofundme, it's all we could do at the moment but I'm sure they would appreciate any help you guys can offer. Here's a link, if nothing else, take a look at the picture on that page, that's just one building...
https://www.gofundme.com/f/donate-to...after-disaster

KJohn · #**110** 2024-10-07, 10:49am

Oh wow that sounds MUCH worse than what we have heard. Why isn't the media covering this? Unbelievable loss. I'm so glad you are ok, I hope that glass made you happy. What a strange thing to get in the middle of everything.

echeveria · #**111** 2024-10-07, 11:39am

JR, thanks for checking in. Can't believe Fed Ex was able to deliver to you. I had checked to see how Lexington fared, but couldn't find much.

People are finding some southerly routes now, so more is starting to move. Friends in Knoxville that are delivering meals and supplies are going south to Atlanta, then north back into SC and NC. Not sure of the exact route, but at least there are some that are open now. My favorite way to get across the mountains was through Hot Springs and over to Weaverville exit on 26. Not sure how long that will be closed. Such devastation.

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Originally Posted by KJohn

Oh wow that sounds MUCH worse than what we have heard. Why isn't the media covering this? Unbelievable loss. I'm so glad you are ok, I hope that glass made you happy. What a strange thing to get in the middle of everything.

? I am seeing it all over media. And I think the death toll will be pretty staggering when it's finally tallied.

jesnbec73 · #**112** 2024-10-07, 11:46am

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Originally Posted by KJohn

Oh wow that sounds MUCH worse than what we have heard. Why isn't the media covering this? Unbelievable loss. I'm so glad you are ok, I hope that glass made you happy. What a strange thing to get in the middle of everything.

Yeah, there were helicopters overhead, sirens everywhere, neighbors shouting to each other, trees falling and snapping around us, Emergency Radio Alerts blaring on our old transistor radio, and then a knock on the door. We thought it was going to be an evacuation order or a cop with some really bad news or something, and it was a distraught looking Fedex driver with a pound of Gellys.

The Buncombe County local government's response right before and after the flood has been, oh god, what's the word? Pathetic, heart-breakingly incompetent really. It took nearly a week before there were any water and food distribution sites from the county, nearly all the initial responses were from local churches and individuals, and all they kept saying was 'We don't have an answer to that question' and 'we don't know'... They are doing their 'press conferences' on 'Zoom Calls' when 90% of the entire reigon doesn't even have cell service or power. It really is way worse than they are saying and just in Buncombe County there's probably about 100,000 people just in the immediate Asheville area that don't have any access to sanitation at all and won't for 'months'. If they don't get that situation under control, I'm afraid there's going to be more serious health issues arising very soon. Buncombe County Schools are now closed 'indefinitely', never thought I'd see that word associated with school closures. It's so bad you all, my wife and I and all the family we've been able to reach are safe and we're alright, but so many here aren't, it's unbelievable how bad this was and still is.

jesnbec73 · #**113** 2024-10-07, 11:55am

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Originally Posted by echeveria

JR, thanks for checking in. Can't believe Fed Ex was able to deliver to you. I had checked to see how Lexington fared, but couldn't find much.

People are finding some southerly routes now, so more is starting to move. Friends in Knoxville that are delivering meals and supplies are going south to Atlanta, then north back into SC and NC. Not sure of the exact route, but at least there are some that are open now. My favorite way to get across the mountains was through Hot Springs and over to Weaverville exit on 26. Not sure how long that will be closed. Such devastation.

? I am seeing it all over media. And I think the death toll will be pretty staggering when it's finally tallied.

Hot Springs and Marshall were hit really hard, there was some kind of plastics factory that got flooded and they are saying the mud downstream from that in Marshall is eating through fabric. I can't imagine what all is in that river now, but it isn't just debris and mud they are dealing with there, it's a toxic mess and will be for some time I'm sure.

echeveria · #**114** 2024-10-07, 12:31pm

I am sure Buncombe Co never anticipated dealing with this level of disaster, and they are residents themselves, so also dealing with their personal levels of trauma and wreckage. The road to recovery will be very long. I feel like New Orleans is still not 100% recovered from Katrina.