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Old 2014-04-20, 12:49pm
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Default Getting ready to try DH "Arke"--any hints?

My order just arrived from Double Helix and I am so excited to try the new "Arke."

Has anyone out there tried it?

What do you think? Any hints or tips to share?

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Old 2014-04-20, 8:25pm
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It's beautiful. If you've worked with Thallo, work it the same way. It keeps its luster under encasement. I'll take a picture tomorrow.
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Old 2014-04-20, 8:51pm
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I've done a couple of beads with it.

Using Amy Kinsch's storming technique on the raised dots on this one:



And over a Devardi metallic silvery black on this one:



I've read that a hot reduction gives you greens, and a cooler reduction gives you more metallic. They also said a repeated reduction produces reds - I repeated many times, and the most I got was maybe a pinkish metallic. I haven't used much Thallo, so I can't speak to their similarities... Good luck and have fun!
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Old 2014-04-21, 7:40am
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Here's a couple of mine.
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Elizabeth, love your beads. Such vibrant colors! Looks like water. did you use a twistie for your beads? If so, what colors did you use with the ARKE
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Thanks Mina! No twistie. I pull the colors out with the flame. The first bead has only Arke and clear. The second has a thin layer of aqua, plus clear.
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Elizabeth, dies it get the ripple effect naturally?
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Old 2014-04-21, 2:48pm
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ohhhh that's purdy Liz
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Old 2014-04-21, 3:38pm
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Thanks Lois!

Mina, no, I use a grooved marver but you can also make razor cuts in the glass.
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Old 2014-04-21, 8:40pm
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That shows much better than my Libby bead. I'll have to take a photo tomorrow of my Arke bead. It's a lovely glass.
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Old 2014-04-21, 11:24pm
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It's beautiful. If you've worked with Thallo, work it the same way. It keeps its luster under encasement. I'll take a picture tomorrow.
Lol my order that's taking forever for fedex to ship contains Thallo and Arke, so what's the 'secret' to Thallo? I've never used Thallo and honestly couldn't find much info on it here. In fact I think you were the only one to post a pic lol.

So with Arke, those that have used it, is it easy to over reduce? Which seems to be one of my things to do with reduction glass
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In my very limited experience, a hotter reduction made it greenish and not over-reduced. A cooler reduction gave it the metallic look, but by switching to an oxidizing flame, it was easy to partially burn it off and get a bigger variety of colors. Of course I was experimenting in all the different flame chemistry I could throw at it, so I'm not 100% sure of what really caused what .
I think I understand what you mean, though, as I only get silver with Triton; Arke does not seem to behave like that.

I'll keep playing, and let you know if I figure any other tricks out...
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Old 2014-04-22, 5:54am
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Lol my order that's taking forever for fedex to ship contains Thallo and Arke, so what's the 'secret' to Thallo? I've never used Thallo and honestly couldn't find much info on it here. In fact I think you were the only one to post a pic lol.

So with Arke, those that have used it, is it easy to over reduce? Which seems to be one of my things to do with reduction glass
No real secret to Thallo. With reduction glass, less is more, most of the time, imho. Let your bead cool a little, lower your oxygen a little, waft your bead through the flame a few times.

If you are going to encase it, keep it under the flame while you do. Using a good clear is helpful. I usually start with a base of clear, sometimes I add a thin layer of a transparent to vary the color. That's about it.
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Old 2014-04-22, 10:46pm
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ok thanks, well both are here now earlier than stated. The shipments from DH are so odd now, well I mean it's fedex not them, but it goes from VA, to PA, to MD, to WV, then up to the midwest to me lol!

So I'm off to play, I won't really know results until they cool off of course.
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Old 2014-09-22, 8:17am
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Arke (and the soon-to-be-released stronger versions) can develop multicolored iridescent metallic finishes when exposed, briefly but repeatedly, to small, soft reduction flames. Try setting smallish neutral flame, then turning down your oxygen until the yellow candles are about an inch long. Pass the bead through the tips of the candles, "brushing" the bead with the candles. Allow a few seconds to cool, and repeat.
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I think it's a fun glass!
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Those are lovely, Pat!
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My first post ever here. I'm also looking for some tips for ARKE on the hot head. I can get metallic color from other DH glass but not from ARKE. I love Triton and Psyche which are both easily reduced for me.I've tried turning up the flame, turning down the flame, far out, close in, very close in, under the flame and on top and to the side. I've even done Psyche and Triton on the same mandrel to figure out if I'm hitting a good spot for them. They turn metallic but not ARKE. Any slight metallic sheen on Arke for me is from the very fresh newly laid down glass without melting it in but it doesn't stay. Once it is melted, I can't get any sheen at all. All I get is a plain blue bead or blue with some green with it. With Triton, Psyche, Kalypso and some others even the rods on the ends where they have melted are metallic but not ARKE.
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Old 2014-09-23, 5:43am
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These are Arke: reduced, unreduced a bit, reduced again.



From the right, Thallo then Arke. (Then Okeanos and 2 x Clio Dark).



These are Arke - much greener here over the grey and very very shiny.



I just reduced it repeatedly, mostly.
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Arke (and the soon-to-be-released stronger versions) can develop multicolored iridescent metallic finishes when exposed, briefly but repeatedly, to small, soft reduction flames. Try setting smallish neutral flame, then turning down your oxygen until the yellow candles are about an inch long. Pass the bead through the tips of the candles, "brushing" the bead with the candles. Allow a few seconds to cool, and repeat.

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Ravenesque:

If your video clip is showing how you feel because those tips helped you with Arke, I know EXACTLY how you feel! I used those tips last night and got Arke to sing for me!!! I'm about to pull them out of the kiln now to see which song it was - but I was happy with the pre-kiln results. Thank you DH!
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Actually no, it's the part I bolded and made purple, the release of stronger versions!
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My first post ever here. I'm also looking for some tips for ARKE on the hot head. I can get metallic color from other DH glass but not from ARKE. I love Triton and Psyche which are both easily reduced for me.I've tried turning up the flame, turning down the flame, far out, close in, very close in, under the flame and on top and to the side. I've even done Psyche and Triton on the same mandrel to figure out if I'm hitting a good spot for them. They turn metallic but not ARKE. Any slight metallic sheen on Arke for me is from the very fresh newly laid down glass without melting it in but it doesn't stay. Once it is melted, I can't get any sheen at all. All I get is a plain blue bead or blue with some green with it. With Triton, Psyche, Kalypso and some others even the rods on the ends where they have melted are metallic but not ARKE.
Sorry you were interrupted, I can only guess to try maybe further out in the flame? It's just odd to me seeing as it's a reduction glass. Hope somebody swings by that can help.
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Old 2014-09-26, 9:35am
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Thank you Ravenesque. I'm going to contact Double Helix Glass to see if they can give me any tips. It really seems strange that I can't get anything out of ARKE when I've been very satisfied with other reduction glasses.
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