|
Tips, Techniques, and Questions -- Technical questions or tips |
2009-05-12, 11:13am
|
bryntaran
|
|
Join Date: Feb 24, 2009
Location: farm in country
Posts: 82
|
|
Newbie stupid question
I have got an extremely stupid question................ Can I make my beads using different 104 kinds of glass? As in......... Effetre and CIM glass? Somehow I think I read something about this, but can't remember what it said. Thanks in advance,
Judy
Feel free to laugh
|
2009-05-12, 11:20am
|
|
Tweedle Dumb
|
|
Join Date: Jan 16, 2009
Location: Dolphins are just gay sharks.
Posts: 1,934
|
|
for the most part you can go crazy with different brands used together... i know some colors have compatability issues with other glass brands, but for the most part you can go nuts! as long as it says 104 you are in the clear!
__________________
Jamie Lynne (aka Bitty) To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. <Click For My Latest Murrini!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. <Click! For Pandora Style Beads!
|
2009-05-12, 11:34am
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Apr 15, 2009
Location: Far side of the screen
Posts: 412
|
|
jamie got it right, most of the 104's can mix but you never really know till you try
|
2009-05-12, 12:18pm
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Apr 07, 2009
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 40
|
|
Yep, as long as it's the same COE, it's a go. Don't try mixing Bullseye in though...it's 90 COE and not compatible!
__________________
-Elizabeth
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
A fuser trying to figure out this hot glass thing!
Currently using HH w/ MAPP gas - Cricket w/ concentrator is on the way!
|
2009-05-12, 12:27pm
|
|
Disconnected
|
|
Join Date: Jan 31, 2007
Location: Normandy, France
Posts: 1,323
|
|
Not laughing here, I do this all the time and sometimes I have bad surprises, for instance:
-Beadmaking 104 (the 104 line by Kugler who produced the ASK line a few years ago): most colors to use SPARINGLY with other brands (lines, dots are ok but no encasing)
-some CIM colors (especially Celadon) hate to be encased in any clear
-usually CIM and Vetro/Effetre get along well in my experience, but with said experience I no longer take anything for granted...
__________________
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
|
2009-05-12, 12:58pm
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Nov 23, 2007
Location: Portland OR
Posts: 1,332
|
|
Yes, what they ALL said!
You are in the right place, though... if anyone has had a problem with a combination, you are likely to read about it here on LE!
So, if you want to be forewarned, do a search on the most expensive one of the colors you want to use, and you will likely see it in combination with other GREAT colors, OR you will see someone asking about this crack, or that interaction line, or whatever, and that can warn you away from bad combos. There are lots of threads about the Kugler line and which ones you can encase and which ones you can't. I know when we had an issue with TAG Juno I tried to shout from the L.E. mountaintops that she doesn't like other brands of clear, so don't risk it. Some of the CIM colors like a hotter annealing cycle, and that is one reason that CIM Cirrus, for instance, is not easily used with every 104.
And if your combo breaks but no one else has had that problem, the folks here can help you troubleshoot it until we solve the mystery. It's CSI Bead Studio here in the Tips and Tricks room, lol! Welcome to the party.
~Jenny @ TAG
OH! And BTW, the only STUPID question is the one you don't ask because you think it will make you sound stupid!
__________________
~Jenny
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; in practice there is." ~ Chuck Reid
|
2009-05-12, 4:31pm
|
bryntaran
|
|
Join Date: Feb 24, 2009
Location: farm in country
Posts: 82
|
|
Thank you all soooo much. I really appreciate your taking the time to answer my "stupid" question. It is so nice to have all of you there to ask these things to, it is almost like having someone in the room with me helping out.
Judy
|
2009-05-12, 4:41pm
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 24, 2007
Location: Orlando, Florida
Posts: 1,233
|
|
Nothing stupid about stupid questions... I still ask stupid questions .
__________________
Helen Starkweather
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
My Non-Glass Sites:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
|
2009-05-12, 6:52pm
|
|
Junior Member
|
|
Join Date: Jun 28, 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 17
|
|
The technical answer is...
Coefficient of linear expansion (COE) is only an indicator of how much a particlar glass expands when heated from one specific temperature to another specific temperature. There are a number of other factors that influence compatibility (e.g. viscosity).
There is not a way to guarantee that two glasses with the same COE are compatible.
One way to get an idea is to overlap approx. 1" of two rods. Heat the overlapped area and pull a thin bi-glass stringer.
The closer to straight the stringer is, the more likely that the two glasses are compatible. I suggest that you try this with one rod of 104 COE glass and one of 90 or 96 COE glass to see what happens when glasses are incompatible.
Even so, this will not guarantee compatibility.
__________________
Michael
|
2009-05-12, 7:51pm
|
|
honorary bead lady
|
|
Join Date: Jan 14, 2008
Location: Mostly the doghouse
Posts: 5,180
|
|
Judy post your stuff in the Gallery in the Newbie show and tell thread for the week
__________________
David To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
|
2009-05-12, 8:46pm
|
|
Formerly FishBulb
|
|
Join Date: Dec 05, 2008
Location: Pony Flower Princess Land
Posts: 2,772
|
|
No such thing as a stupid question in the glass world Judy. I've asked some real doozers myself on here, but it's the only way to learn. People here are very helpful and you'll learn LOTS by being on here!
__________________
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
In Soviet Russia, Google searches you.
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -7. The time now is 3:19pm.
|