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Old 2015-09-01, 12:16am
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This thread has evolved into something that is quite informative. It started as an assumption on my part and has become something that when we all put our heads together, each adding what we know or find out, we can put the pieces together into something that can give us ideas and a place to start playing/experimenting with our colors. Read on:

...that many of the CiM glass rods are actually veiled color? Quite a few of them are. Check out Bing, Bordello, Schoolbus, & Razzleberry, just to name a few. Check out my new charts, or take a nipper to your own rods to find out.

http://listen-up.org/kitty/beads/frit/cim.htm
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Old 2015-09-01, 2:56am
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Wow ! Thanks for sharing Kay. Pretty amazing.
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Old 2015-09-01, 2:58pm
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Amy points out that the banding may be due to incomplete striking so I'm testing that right now. The Cranberry did strike out to a solid color while hot. I'm now waiting till the paddles for Bing and Schoolbus to cool because they still showed banding while hot.
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Old 2015-09-01, 3:27pm
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*sigh* I would LOVE to check out Razzleberry.

And I noticed the more recent CIM reds/reddish oranges especially have lots of rings, although am unsure whether it's unstruck layers or actual veiling.
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Old 2015-09-01, 6:58pm
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Me too. I'm changing the wording on the website to say banding. All of the colors it happens in are striking colors (reds, yellows, oranges, pinks).

I'm going to do more testing on this later in the week and will post pictures of course. Just trying to figure out in my head how to best go about it.

And yea, I'm almost afraid to use the Razzleberry. I did have a very interesting internal conversation with myself when it came to snipping off a piece of it.
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Old 2015-09-02, 3:44pm
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What is veiled color in CIM glass and why should I care if I use CIM glass?
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Old 2015-09-02, 8:19pm
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Ditto what Taino said.
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Old 2015-09-02, 9:49pm
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What is veiled color in CIM glass and why should I care if I use CIM glass?
If you cut the rod sideways, there are rings in it - similar to the rings in a tree. At this point I'm going to say that it's because it's hand pulled glass and the rings are caused by differing amounts of striking in the red, orange, yellow, and pink striking colors. I'll know for sure when the test paddles I did today come out of the kiln tomorrow. It's probably not intentional because Kathy wasn't sure what I was talking about - will send her a pix tomorrow as well.

As for why you should care if you use CiM glass, that's totally up to you. I personally don't care if you use it or not. I have these tests for quite a few different brands of glass. CiM just happens to be the one I've completed and updated. You can see the others here:
http://listen-up.org/kitty/beads/frit.htm
as well as an explanation of what each of the columns in the test is designed to show.

Many people who work with glass would rather be able to tell before hand if 2 colors will react with each other or not, or if a color will spread or not, etc. It can save on torch time and wasted glass.
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Old 2015-09-03, 4:04pm
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Thank you.

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Old 2015-09-03, 8:00pm
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Your response elucidates in a gossamer fashion.
I'm sorry, I've been in a weird mood. What part are you confused about? I just don't want to turn this into a promotional thread. Personally, I have yet to find a color/glass manufacturer that I don't like. What I'm going for when I pick a color/brand to use is based on the needs of the particular piece I'm working on. If I need a stiff white, I'll pick CiM. If I needs a softer white, I'll pick Effetre. If I need a white that will reduce, I'll pick Zimmerman (if in small enough amounts I don't have to worry about COE.)

I did get the paddles done I was talking about. The Cranberry Pink completely struck. The Razzleberry, not at all. The others almost did - but you can still see rings. This info may be useful for some applications, then again not, but I'm of the sort who feels that all info should be shared else when we're gone, so goes the info.
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Old 2015-09-04, 5:27am
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@ Listenup,
Still not sure what you meant by "veiled color". Is it the rings you speak of?
@ Taino, I got a good laugh at your last post but it didn't help clear up the confusion.

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Old 2015-09-04, 5:16pm
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@ Listenup,
Still not sure what you meant by "veiled color". Is it the rings you speak of?
@ Taino, I got a good laugh at your last post but it didn't help clear up the confusion.
Yes, those are the rings. At first I was thinking that they were different colors - done intentionally. Frantz occasionally has some, GGGlass sells some, Val Cox used to sell them.

Starleen's Studio has some wonderful information about Veiled Cane:
http://www.starleensstudio.com/Tutor...iled_Cane.html

They give a kind of whispy ethereal look to the bead. I now realize that CiM's are caused not by different colors, but by different levels of striking in the glass and is because CiM colors are all hand-pulled, not done by machine. I've seen this before in Opaque colors, but not transparent ones. I think it's an important thing to know in case it could make a difference in the end result. One or two ideas come to mind on how to put this to use, but I'll keep those to myself till I flesh it out.
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Old 2015-09-04, 6:09pm
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I have not worked with soft glass for a long time. I love boro and specifically, boro striking colors. While using soft glass striking colors Inlearned you could get a variety of results from one color by "under striking" or incomplete striking. As you have stated, and I believe you are correct, the "veil" is the result of different areas/stages of striking and the fact it is hand pulled color. In boro, I mix a lot of custom colors and pull cane from these mixes. I frequently make custom cane with mixes of striking color at the core and veiled with a completely different striking color. In boro, unless I am using a color that I want the entire piece, to strike out completely the same color, I use the varied striking as part of the artistic process. It gives a unique appearance and adds to the variety of the color. You can really use this technique to great advantage. I suggest experimenting with it. Layer your striking colors over opaque colors and vary the amount you strike. Try several methods of experimentation and several stages of striking. This really can be quite useful.

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Wow, thank you both for your explanations!
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