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View Poll Results: Do you like the leaky pen and gellys pink colors?
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Old 2007-01-14, 11:16am
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Default Messy Color~Leaky Pen and Gellys Pink

Im thinking of ordering some of these 2 colors,but I havent seen any beads made from them and would LOVE to see some beads to make my desicion . Also please tell me what you think about the colors! Thanks!!!
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Old 2007-01-14, 12:21pm
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Got to try most of the CIM glasses a few weeks ago. Loved the pink; it maintains it's color and doesn't seem so shocky. The Leaky Pen is a very saturated color. It worked well when encasing pale pastels and pulling as stringers; same thing with the Bordello just watch overheating it, it will brown out on you..
The Celadon is a wonderful color; and the Cyrus and Halong Bay made wonderful subtle encasement glasses. They are relatively clear to begin with, but the opacifiers really come out as they are heated repeatedly.
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I have used Gelly Pink, Ginger and Celadon, they work well. I also have the French Blue and Rose Quartz. Haven't used them yet, but they are sure pretty in rod form.
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Old 2007-01-14, 2:37pm
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Love, love, love ink blue! I like the pink as well but it's cracked on me a couple of times... I have bad luck with pinks in general.
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Leaky pen and Ginger are my fav colors. I haven't had time to play with their new colors yet.
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I love leaky pen and the gelly pink is an ok pink, I agree it would be better if it had a little more saturation. Leaky pen for sure!
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These were made with leaky pen.
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Kim - I LOVE LOVE LOVE the transparent horses. I don't know if I have seen a transparent base before and if I did I think it was etched? LOVELY

Hannah - I haven't tried either, but I have seen the leaky pen and I like it alot. I'm with Kandice on the pink I have seen.
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Thanks everyone! Anymore pics?
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I loved the leaky pen but had better results when I put it over a clear base. Had the pink and celadon for a while and they look great with french blue. I really am in love with the french blue. I have some of the peacock green and because its stiffer I hope I can use it to make a hollow bead! ( at last). I loved the bordello but burned the heck out my second one! My first is very pretty translucent red. Cant do justice with the cirus yet. Still have the ginger and the other color.
the translucent blue is pretty too

These are a stiffer slower to melt glass and sometimes thats a help! Give'em all a try!
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I agree about the Leaky Pen...and it really needs to be thinned out with a clear or put it over white....it's very saturated.
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Old 2007-01-16, 7:33am
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only tried leaky pen (love!), celedon, french blue and bordello.

leaky pen, not sure if anyone that has played yet has found that it can turn metallic? (sorry if i'm repeating what's been said 2,000 times but i rarely have time to read)

simple beads so i could show them better.
spacers...4 on left are normal, 4 on right metallic.


starts silver, then blues/greens, then *pinks, then copper the more you reduce.

cannot wait to try cirrus and halong bay.
oh! been meaning to ask, halong bay, it looks like there's an opal sheen to it on the site? is there or is it just the photo?
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Old 2007-01-16, 7:49am
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Love the leaky pen; love the ginger (as long as I don't reduce it). I had swirled some of the double helix and R4 colors on it, and when hit with a reduction flame, it turns an icky, mottled rust color...or at least it did for me.
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Old 2007-01-16, 8:35am
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Cirrus and Haalong Bay both have an opalescence to them. Takes some time in and out of the flame to really bring it out.
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Old 2007-01-16, 9:22am
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I've just played with the cim colors a bit, but my favorites (that came in the sample pack) are the leaky pen and the rose quartz.
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Old 2007-01-16, 1:02pm
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I made my first hollow bead with a Moretti teal green the other day. It was my first try and I followed the directions I picked up here in the tutorials to the letter. Worked great and I did it on my first try. It gave me confidence to try another one in clear, which failed terrribly since clear is pretty runny. So back to green to ppp on making hollow beads.
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Old 2007-01-20, 3:43pm
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Default Working Properties of Gelly's Sty

We've discovered that people who have the most success with Gelly's Sty are using it as the body of a piece, or in sculptural work. We've posted a few photos here:

http://www.creationismessy.com/color.aspx?id=2

When you use Gelly's Sty to make dots or stringers which are then applied on top of other colors, Gelly's Sty does lose some of its saturation / hue.

Hope that helps.

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Old 2007-01-20, 9:10pm
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I love the Ginger & Buttter Pecan for my seashell beads.The Gelly Pink is my favorite pink ever and I love it as a base color!Leaky pen looks like it will be great for encasing white and pulling stringer for rosesCirrus and Halong Bay are absolutely dreamy!!!! I will have to get some pics in the AM
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Kathy:
FYI - I used cirrus, halong bay, & parrot green together in a bead and the bead kept cracking. It was a small sculptural flower. I fixed it, put it back in the kiln, and it cracked again. Heck! It wanted to crack while I was making it... none of CIM glass holds heat very well at all. Alone the colors were fine, but together they weren't. I even put it in the kiln glowing the second time, plus when I fixed it I made sure the petals were even thicker, just in case. (I was trying to think of everything). But it didn't JUST break at the petal, it broke through the bead. None of the other flowers I made that day broke (out of moretti colors), just the one made fo the CIM glass. Any hints??? And, no, it wasn't encased. Thanks!
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Any plans for CIM to make commercial stringers?I hate pulling stringer and would love to buy them ready made
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I just ordered a sampler of CIM colors and I can't wait to try them! Leaky pen was one of my favorites from the looks of them. You guys have given me some ideas on how to work with them. Thanks!! I can't wait!!!!
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Old 2007-01-22, 5:34am
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Dear Taramag:

Iím sorry to hear youíve had trouble working with our new colors! I would recommend turning up the heat. Most of our colors work better when worked hotter than you may be accustomed to.

Also, turn up your annealer. Weíve tested Cirrus and the annealing range is 970-1040 degrees. Our tests also show that Halong Bay anneals best at 1070 and Peacock Green at 1050. I would recommend setting your annealer somewhere around 1050.

Not sure if you figured most of this out already, so forgive me if I repeat what you already know. The trick to getting Cirrus to go milky is to strike it. The misty white opacifiers will appear as you cool and re heat the glass.

Since we know many people will work their beads in the flame for half an hour or more, we engineered Cirrus to remain transparent despite long torch times. You can control the color by how many times you cool and re heat the bead. I timed it today - if you strike in and out of the flame for alternating 8-10 second periods over the space of 3 minutes, you can get a round bead to go milky. Takes a bit longer if you are working on something flat like a paddle.

Iíve also heard that it is very difficult to get anything under a 12-15 mm size to strike at all. So small sized beads stay completely transparent.

Halong Bay and Peacock Green work essentially the same as Cirrus.

It sounds like you were only using Cirrus, Halong Bay, and Peacock Green. I wanted to note, for your reference, that Messy Color is formulated to be closest to Effetre and Vetrofond. It is a little bit farther from Lauscha (which is a higher c.o.e.).

I hope that helps. Taramag, let us know if turning up the heat and your annealer helped!

Iím working on compiling this kind of working info to post on our site. If anyone else has input about how these colors work, or any other Messy Colors for that matter, Iíd appreciate the feedback!

Sorry for the delay in response. Iím in China working on new colors so in a different time zone.
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Here are beads made with all three colors. Please forgive the photo. Tina, thanks for your suggestion about stringers . . . hadn't really given that any thought until now!
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Kathy
Do all the Messy Colors need to be annealed at a higher temp? I have my kiln set at 960 and love using the pink. I pair it with some vetrofond colors (brown). Should I up my temp for the pink? My kiln came with the 960 already preprogrammed, so figured that is what is should be for all 104's.
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Gelly Pink and rose quartz with Effetre sage green and Vetrofond white.

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Kelly, our testing shows different annealing temperatures for each color. You should be fine at 960 with Gelly's Sty:

Gellyís Sty 950
Ginger 1010
Celadon 1030
Butter Pecan 1050
Bordello 940
Leaky Pen 980

Kevan, gorgeous work! Your photo really captured that issue I was talking about - the body of the piece maintains that bright pink hue, and the arms where Gelly's Sty is used as dots loses some of its saturated pink-ness.
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Kelly, our testing shows different annealing temperatures for each color. You should be fine at 960 with Gelly's Sty:

Gellyís Sty 950
Ginger 1010
Celadon 1030
Butter Pecan 1050
Bordello 940
Leaky Pen 980
Kathy, is that related to a difference in COE's for the different colors ?
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Default Annealing Temperature / Compatibility

Hi Anne! The annealing temperature is not related to the c.o.e. All Messy Color is tested to be 104 compatible. We are formulated to be as close to Effetre and Vetrofond as possible, and still within compatibility range of Lauscha.

I think most manufacturers like Effetre produce a line of glass that is based on specific, stable formulae that have been used for years (centuries?). Since our focus has been to add to the already existing 104 palette, the formula for each of our colors varies greatly. We have been pushing the envelope, if you will. So there is a wide variance in how each Messy color will work, and also a wide range in annealing temperatures.

I am working on figuring out how to properly anneal a bead that contained glass with 2 separate annealing ranges. I will keep you posted when I figure it out.

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That was going to be my next question Kathy ... lol.

I haven't yet tried any of these glasses but have been seeking something like the cirrus from the time I began beadmaking about 4 years ago ... I have some old jewelry with milky pink beads which I love. Of course I'm going through a mad scientist reaction mad phase right now).

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Sadie, the rose quartz is probably a lot like your milky pink beads. It's gorgeous.
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