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I just don't understand how I never knew about the 96 CIM glass. lol
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Messy 96
Since our line of Messy 96 glass cane is small - and there isn't a whole lot of it- I've been putting my energies into making more 104 colors.
We're selling the Messy 96 through Frantz and Phoenix. There are a couple very unique colors like F90 and F93 that might be worth exploring- though those two might not be to your particular palette tastes, Kevan. (Both are earthy and organic, and I think you prefer bright.) I just found a beautiful non striking transparent red at the factory yesterday, which tested compatible. So I'll be shipping some red to Frantz, too.
Frantz put photos in their last e-newsletter, I think . . .
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Do we know anything about annealing schedules with 2 different colors with different temps in them yet? Could we just garage at 1050 (with the exception (?) of halong bay....which is 1070)? Would halong bay survive garaging at 1050?
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Kevan, I didn't know about Messy 96 until recently.  I love earth tones so I might be heading over there to Frantz or Phoenix.
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2007-02-01, 3:59pm
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Kevan, I didn't know about Messy 96 until recently. I love earth tones so I might be heading over there to Frantz or Phoenix. |
I just ordered some of the smudge stick. That looks like a nice taupy brown.
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Annealing glasses with varying annealing points
Many thanks for your patience. I checked out Craftweb. For those of you who are members, here is a link to a relevant thread: http://talk.craftweb.com/showthread.php?threadid=1276&highlight=different+a nnealing+temperatures.
One of Craftweb’s member, David Williams, made an entry that quotes and should be properly credited to Lani McGregor of Bullseye as follows:
"If you are annealing glasses with varying annealing points (as compatible opals and transparents will have), then select the glass with the higher annealing range and soak at the appropriate temperature for it. As long as you go slowly enough down through the strain point of any glass with a lower range, you will have taken all the glasses through the annealing process. "
Please see the attached chart for the annealing temperatures for all 11 Messy Colors.
Hope that helps. Feel free to let me know if there are any other questions.
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Okay, so it sounds like I need to adjust my schedule to ramp more slowly and as soon as the chart is finished I'll take the higher annealing temp and try that. Thanks so much for all the info Kathy. I want to be able to use all these brands together and this helps a lot.
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Wow, thanks Kathy although I think I just went into information overload lol. I certainly don't know this much info about any other type of glass I work with!
So if you made a bead with 2 colors and the slump temp for one was below the annealing temp range for the other (eg, bordello and french blue), would proportions of the colors determine whether it would deform? Or don't we know yet? I'm just trying to grasp this conceptually.
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Here's a set made with leaky pen. Mixed it 50-50 with clear. Rolled in goldstone powder. I love this color!
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2007-04-24, 7:58am
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Angie, that set is great!
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Quote:
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Wow, thanks Kathy although I think I just went into information overload lol. I certainly don't know this much info about any other type of glass I work with!
So if you made a bead with 2 colors and the slump temp for one was below the annealing temp range for the other (eg, bordello and french blue), would proportions of the colors determine whether it would deform? Or don't we know yet? I'm just trying to grasp this conceptually.
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Can we get an answer on this please? I have the same question about using it with Moretti. I have to say that I LOVE this glass but I won't buy any more or use it because of this issue. For example, I don't sit down to make CIM Cirrus beads only. I make what I want. And if I have to have the kiln higher than Moretti's slump point, or even other colors of CIM, in order it use Cirrus, I just won't use it. I don't want to slump beads in order to anneal others.
It's too bad, I really like it and I've been waiting FOREVER for a opal colors. They're so pretty! But it's just too difficult to use. If glass is 104, it should be able to be used with other 104 pretty easily. Same goes for ASK glass.
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2007-05-03, 6:35am
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I have used Cirrus 50/50 with other colors and have not changed from Morettis annealing schedule.My beads have all been fine.I have also annealed 100% Cirrus in my kiln at same schedule with no problems
Tina
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2007-05-03, 8:38am
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Well, I put cirrus, halong bay, and peacock in the kiln with my Moretti before I found out about this and they all cracked. (some beads with 2 colors, some single color). It's apparently b/c the kiln garage temp was too low. I wonder if your beads will crack in the future. Some of mine cracked right away and some later on. Cirrus may make it if you anneal at 970 b/c that what the chart reads (it's the lowest anneal temp), but there are some that are even higher. I suppose I'd have to garage at a min of 970 for that color but some Moretti colors don't like that. And they're all over the board - the CIM colors. It doesn't make any sense to me.
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2007-05-03, 9:24am
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I have beads from months ago and they are all fine.The only cracking issues I have had are from letting a bead cool too much while torching it.
Personally I love this line of glass because it melts so nicely on my HH.The only issue I had with it turned out to be a nice surprise instead.I rolled my seashells made of rose quartz in silver foil and was upset to see what I thought was scum.I put one in Etchall and the "scum"came off leaving me a pretty bead
BEFORE
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Some of the before ones had an almost fumed look to them.After etching I think the rose quartz ones look like an antique treasure from the sea
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2007-05-03, 9:26am
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These are the spacers to the above shells
The Rose quartz ones are from the above BEFORE pic minus the one I lost down the drain while cleaning them 
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Messy Color annealing
Sorry for my late reply. Sometimes I subscribe to a thread but I don't consistently receive email notifications. (If anyone knows why, please let me know how to fix this.)
I’ve attached the annealing ranges for Messy Colors that we have tested to date. Creation is Messy scientifically tests annealing temperature ranges for each color separately to provide accurate and complete information to our customers. We hope that the annealing chart will help optimize your working environment.
We recommend your target annealing temperature should match the color with the highest temperature as shown in the chart, or the other manufacturer’s highest temperature, whichever is highest.
Our testers all successfully annealed their test beads at the standard, advertised 920-968° F range with the exception of Cirrus, Halong Bay and Peacock Green. Artwork incorporating any of these three colors needs to be annealed at the higher temperature range of 970 to 1090° F. We are working with our chemists to find out whether there is a way that we can lower the annealing temperature without sacrificing the requested working properties of these three colors.
It is important to us that you can use Messy Color freely along with other 104 glasses. We are also working on a method to provide better information about how each of our colors works so that as we introduce new colors to your palette you will be able to use them in conjunction with other 104 colors. We are continuing our investments in describing the working properties of Messy Color and will keep you posted as we make progress and discoveries.
Thanks for your interest in Messy Color. As we understand this issue can be complicated, please feel free to contact me directly at any time with questions.
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Rose Quartz
I can't figure out how to get this smaller. But this is Rose Quartz worked hot. I annealed it at 1050. 
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Yummy color!
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I really like your foiled beads Tina. Especially the rose quartz seashells! Thanks for showing the before and after.
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Thank you Roberta I really like the CIM colors alot.I am ordering the Hades next!
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Here is a set made with leaky pen and cyrus. I really love the CIM glass.
You can see how saturated/desne the leaky pen color is in my end spacers when used alone. When pulled in the murrini cane it becomes much more translucent.
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Those are awesome Bonnie
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Wow, I missed the rose quartz beads. I'm not a pink girl, but those are awesome samiam/vonna(?)!
And the leaky pen/cirrus murrini rock!
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Thanks a lot you guys! I had decided that I was NOT going to get into another kind of glass. I figured moretti, vetro, bullseye and boro were enough. But after reading this thread and seeing the beautiful colors you all got I just HAD to buy some!!!  Thanks for giving this glass junkie another reason to feed her addiction! 
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I just added the new colors from CiM to my website. For those who don't know yet......"Hades" the new black is supposed to be like an "intense" black but half the price!!! Not supposed to turn purple or anything. I'm going to work with it tonite and test it out!!!!
I haven't had much time to play with any of the colors yet...I just seem to stare at them lol.
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This is just pure heaven!!!!
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Irene & (rainygirl) no pink - Thank you very much. "To Die For" ( WOW )
Irene ~ the Hades is awesome - unless you do something I don't - it turned out real shinny - put regular moretti white dots on top - no purple in the glass at all, but it had a reaction like turquoise does, with the striations. You will like it, to me it is really a nice clean black, cleaning wasn't hard either.
I will try and post a picture soon.
Bonnie those are awesome.
Tina - I love the sea shells, -
I think the cirrus is a great encasing glass.
This is Glacier! I swear it is like butter ~ I just used copper & silver foil that is it.
This is the Pate ~ just one color - I realize I work way to hot in the flame but the reactions I am getting out of the CIM glass to me is awesome.
This is regular glacier - I can't get the picture to work.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...lacier2514.jpg
This above is leaky pen with gelly sty, peacock, and cirrus.
Sorry for being a HOG - but I really like this glass..
If you want to see them bigger they are on my website.
Vonna
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we tested our hades last night - nice and dense - no hint of purple and doesn't spider react on ivory like nero intenso... more testing and combinations to be tried though!!!
a LOT easier to get the Nero too!...
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we tested our hades last night - nice and dense - no hint of purple and doesn't spider react on ivory like nero intenso... more testing and combinations to be tried though!!!
a LOT easier to get the Nero too!...
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Nero Intenso? Is that the black intense? And sorry if I'm totally lost but what did you mean by alot easier to get the Nero too????
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Well after seeing vonna's pink beads, I had to go look at my stash to see if I had any of the rose quartz. And I did. What does that say about my glass supply when I have glass and don't remember it? LOL Anyways, I got a little carried away watching american Idol while making them and before I knew it I had lots of pink beads. My husband thought these were gemstones, I love the glow.
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