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I'm waiting to see what everyone else gets because mine turned an ugly terracotta no matter what I did. My frit wouldn't keep any purple even with an Effetre transparent base. I used Z99 I bought straight from Val, then I ground up some Gaffer Purple Rose and tried that. I must be doing something wrong.
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Amy, too much heat. This process shouldn't take longer than a few minutes - 4 minute tops. Put it in a cooler part of the flame. I consistently get purple from Z99 no matter how I use it. Even the Gaffer should still be purple. Weird.

Post a pic for me.
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I'd love to see them! Are you going to etch them or keep them shiny?
I think I'm going to etch. I need to buy some dip etch stuff. All I have is the etching cream and that's on its last legs. I wish the craft stores around me carried the solution but so far no luck. May just have to order it online.
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I'm waiting to see what everyone else gets because mine turned an ugly terracotta no matter what I did. My frit wouldn't keep any purple even with an Effetre transparent base. I used Z99 I bought straight from Val, then I ground up some Gaffer Purple Rose and tried that. I must be doing something wrong.

Mine turned out all brown as well. I didn't think I overheated...just enough to melt stuff in but every single bead turned brown. That was a wasted torching session....wasted silver too. Damn.
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Please post pics so I can see this please!
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Ok Amy PM'd me a pic and too much Z99 on there... it has to be a sprinkle...and I mean light coverage. You're just looking for some of it to be here and there, not coating the bead.
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If you insist...


That's just a quickie picture. I'm glad it's not just me Yee...although I actually wish it was just me. I'm only on a minor but I did heat each bead up pretty good. I could try melting it in as cool as possible and see what happens.
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My sad beads....no color at all. All different types of bases, some opaque, some transparent.
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Amy, the silver looks great though! You got the melting in...that might be causing some of it, too. Silver fumes the Z99 so you have to back off a little and just do that at the edge of the flame, not fully in the flame until the very last bit of shaping.

For everybody: Everything should still be slightly raised before the final shaping - the frit shouldn't be melted in all the way when you roll it over the foil. The final shaping finishes off the melt.
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The only one that has a lot of frit is the top left one. The others had just a sprinkle and the bottom left one just had a couple of pieces.
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OK...I probably had the same problem with overuse of the purple then. Really didn't seem like that much.
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My sad beads....no color at all. All different types of bases, some opaque, some transparent.
Can I see the copper green a little better?
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I'll try again and just use some Effetre for the base, a light sprinkle of frit and melt it in really gently in a cool flame.
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The only one that has a lot of frit is the top left one. The others had just a sprinkle and the bottom left one just had a couple of pieces.
It's got to be heat then because it spread too far... here's mine - there is always some rust tones but not that much:





Also, it does have to be Size 0 frit...powder with a few .5mm chunks in it.
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I actually put my frit in a coffee grinder to make it smaller so I'll pick out just the small pieces. The reason I heated more though is because if I didn't, the frit was all white and ugly from the devit. In order to burn that off I had to give it a good heating so I'm not sure what I'll get without that.
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Here it is on transparents I have used...

I used a lot of frit on the last set, some brown there for sure.
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I'm using the recipe from page 12 and I think Yee is too.
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The last photos I posted are from that recipe. The final set shown (Lavish Garden) has too much frit on it and the colors aren't as bright as they normally are in other sets I make for that style. I've been trolling LE, Etsy and other venues looking at pics of beads with Gaffer Purple Rose and Z99 in combination with silver and I'm seeing a lot of Z99 keeping it's color, like it does for me.

I will dig deeper and see if I can figure it out. Looks like the silver might be fuming the frit in an oxygen/propane environment so I have someone experimenting for me to see what the best mix might be and if there's a solution. Hang tight. We'll get it worked out. So far, this is only a problem with no enamel and transparents recipe but not with the enamel and opaque base combo.
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I'm saving up for this tutorial. I think my next Etsy sale will do it!!!
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Thanks, Mallory!
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It won't be annealed... But let me go try quickly and give a third result from Amy and Yee.
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Donna @ the Mandrel got it to work (she didn't get the brown stuff as far as she could see - she had purple and silver for sure) so she was going to post in here tomorrow about it if they come out of the kiln ok.
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Ok Amber, breathe...

I got exactly what you show except for one.

Using opaque with enamels first recipe - if you melt the frit flat before the foil, it will turn solid rust, no purple. I used G199-purple rose here.

Doing the same as above, using G114 except not melting frit in at all, just heating enough to attach well... It was a combination of purple and rust.
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Old 2013-05-06, 3:42pm
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Now.... What is frit happens purpur??? Ahh. Purpur.

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Thanks, Shardi! You're right - Nothing should be melted flat until the final shaping in the flame.
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I noticed that even if the frit melts in from ambient heat, it'll cause rust.

I think part of Amber's reaction is based on the center of the frit melting outward. So in a way it's not touching the silver and after melting the silver it, it would only get a light fuming as the center goodness spreads out.
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Heck, even *I* didn't think of that, Shardi. But you're right. I'll often get a little dot of silver right in the middle of the frit dot but the rest is purple murple.
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I think that's why keeping the frit intact so to speak, makes the difference.

Once it melts flat before you introduce the silver foil, you will not achieve your look.
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My frit was raised when I put the foil on it.
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We'll get it figured out, Amy! It's kind of like when I couldn't get the webbing technique to work on my HH.
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