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2012-03-18, 12:21pm
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Bead Release Troubles
I am having a terrible problem with bead release. I doesn't matter what kind I use it is all breaking. I have never had this problem until recently. Any clues?
I am not over working my beads and I don't think I am letting it get cold.
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2012-03-18, 3:02pm
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Yeesh! I know!!! Humidity maybe? Dipping the release during cold weather and having an unseasonable heat wave the next week? I'm having the exact same problem. I'm not tugging on the glass or overheating the mandrel, causing the release to burn. I use Foster Fire smooth and tuff. It's been acting like cheap sh*t out from the kits. And I know Fosterfire isn't the issue.
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2012-03-18, 3:05pm
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I thin my bead release down and double dip. The release doesn't break and I don't have problems getting beads off the mandrels.
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2012-03-18, 3:28pm
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I have not found double dipping to be helpful with my FosterFire. Maybe somebody else can say differently, but I don't think so. One thing that I end up saying alot: if my bead release is too thick it doesn't work as well. It should be like tomato sauce from a can. Some people use it very thin and get great results.
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2012-03-18, 3:34pm
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Cool! I thought it was just me....!
I use FF ST and really like it, but the last 6 mandrels have been crappy--I'm thinking its the cold temps in the garage plus needing to thin it, and waiting overnight might work better for me. We'll see today!!
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2012-03-18, 3:41pm
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I use foster fire smooth and tough also. It is the right thickness. Although my studio is in a temperature controlled environment (AC and heat) it is quiet humid here. I don't double dip either.
I should say that I have had the same problem with fusion and mama g's.
So I have no clue what I am doing wrong.
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2012-03-18, 4:44pm
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i am very very much liking Fosterfire - smooooth and hasnt let go yet
Autumn, are you using new mandrels? mine always breaks on new mandrels unless i burn them in well
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2012-03-18, 4:50pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FosterFire
I have not found double dipping to be helpful with my FosterFire. Maybe somebody else can say differently, but I don't think so. One thing that I end up saying alot: if my bead release is too thick it doesn't work as well. It should be like tomato sauce from a can. Some people use it very thin and get great results.
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That answers my issues then. I saw where you mentioned the consistency in another thread. I dipped mine a little thicker last time. I noticed, but thought "meh, it shouldn't make much difference."
I guess it does! 
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2012-03-18, 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by purpledragonfly
I use foster fire smooth and tough also. It is the right thickness. Although my studio is in a temperature controlled environment (AC and heat) it is quiet humid here. I don't double dip either.
I should say that I have had the same problem with fusion and mama g's.
So I have no clue what I am doing wrong.
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Sounds like similar working environments. My studio garage is also temperature controlled. I'm going to take Robin's advice and dip a little thinner the next time. I've only had the issues since using brand new dipped mandrels.
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2012-03-18, 5:29pm
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It would be nice to solve this as i have a couple tubs that always flake off.. I just bought new rather than fight it.. 
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2012-03-18, 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by jillybead
It would be nice to solve this as i have a couple tubs that always flake off.. I just bought new rather than fight it.. |
Btw it is very dry where i live
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2012-03-18, 5:48pm
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Originally Posted by SGA
Sounds like similar working environments. My studio garage is also temperature controlled. I'm going to take Robin's advice and dip a little thinner the next time. I've only had the issues since using brand new dipped mandrels.
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are you burning your mandrels in?
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2012-03-18, 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by PerfectDeb
are you burning your mandrels in?
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Oh, oh, oh. Whoops.
I should have said freshly dipped mandrels. New = just dipped opposed to old = mandrels I dipped weeks ago and haven't used.  
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2012-03-18, 7:01pm
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so newly dipped old well used mandrels?
or newly dipped new mandrels?
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2012-03-18, 7:13pm
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Newly dipped well used mandrels.
Sorry, Southern US colloquialisms coming out to play. 
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2012-03-18, 8:12pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PerfectDeb
i am very very much liking Fosterfire - smooooth and hasnt let go yet
Autumn, are you using new mandrels? mine always breaks on new mandrels unless i burn them in well
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No Deb I am not using new mandrels. Using the same mandrels I have been using for 1 year or better.
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2012-03-19, 2:25pm
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I have found my bead release can get flaky when it needs to be thinned down. Add just a bit of water (distilled if you have a lot of minerals in your water) and then mix it really well. Add more if you need to. I like my release so it just about drips off the mandrel.
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2012-03-20, 9:34am
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Maybe time to scrub up your mandrels with dish soap and a steel wool scrubbie. I have to do this every few months if I dont, all my bead release cracks. I think its just a build up oils (or whatever) on the mandrels.
If you thin.. use vodka rather than water flavored vodka that smells great (but is not necessarily your favorite flavor sitting in the cabinet adds a nice yummy smell to the studio mm maybe i should rename my studio... martini bead studio....................has a nice ring!  hell I used ammeretto once in bead release WORKED AMAZING!
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2012-03-21, 4:27pm
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On another forum, I read that someone cleaned their mandrels in the dishwasher and after that the bead release flaked off
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2012-03-21, 4:40pm
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Make sure your release isn't too thick, rough up new mandrels with emory cloth and after you dip tap the un-dipped end of the mandrel on a hard surface so it makes the particles cling smoother to the mandrel.
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2012-03-21, 6:40pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flame n fuse
On another forum, I read that someone cleaned their mandrels in the dishwasher and after that the bead release flaked off
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I only use my dishwasher for dishes.....I don't even put my glass rods in the dishwasher, but thanks for letting me know.
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Originally Posted by mtnglass
Make sure your release isn't too thick, rough up new mandrels with emory cloth and after you dip tap the un-dipped end of the mandrel on a hard surface so it makes the particles cling smoother to the mandrel.
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My bead release isn't too thick, not using any new mandrels. I will try the tapping suggestions to see if it helps. Thanks
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2012-03-21, 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by purpledragonfly
My bead release isn't too thick, not using any new mandrels. I will try the tapping suggestions to see if it helps. Thanks
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Actually, you should use emery cloth periodically on your mandrels to clean them after they are dry.
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2012-03-21, 9:40pm
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i've found that if they are even the slightest bit damp when i dip them the BR flakes off - nowdays i leave them sit on top of the kiln so they're bone dry before i dip them
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2012-03-21, 10:11pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PerfectDeb
i've found that if they are even the slightest bit damp when i dip them the BR flakes off - nowdays i leave them sit on top of the kiln so they're bone dry before i dip them
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Uh huh... 
Guess what I've been doing the last couple times I dipped. Until recently I had washed, dried and then dipped. I got lazy and decided the drying was an extra step. Wash and dip. I sort of figured the little bit of water would mixed in with the BR and we'd move on.
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2012-03-21, 10:22pm
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i think it sort of puts a layer between the BR and the metal - thats my theory anyway
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2012-03-23, 9:10am
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question I just bought some foster fire smooth and tuff..but it is definitely not smooth ?
is it supposed to have a lot of little bits in it ? It is quite thick and very single rod the release gave way ..I really was disappointed ..and on the beads I was able to finish and save the inside was really pitted from the bits of stuff ?
I usually use fusion which IS smooth in comparison ? I ordered more fusion
but I wonder if there wasn't possibly something wrong with the foster fire ?
any ideas?
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2012-03-23, 10:29am
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This would prolly be a question best answered by Robyn, but I don't think mine was real gritty. Did you try shaking it really well? I had two bottles of FF S&T and only the second bottle gave me any trouble, but fusion was also giving me trouble and suspect it is most likely user error. FF S&T likes to be the consistency of tomato sauce so I would a little bit of distilled water to it and shake it really well and see if that helps.
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2012-03-23, 10:56am
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My FF is a wee bit gritty but I had been using it a bit thick. Usually I run my fingers over the dried mandrels just a little tiny bit and very very lightly. It smooths out.
Try thinning it down some.
Deb, I made sure the mandrels were dry. Thanks for the tip. No more issues.
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2012-03-23, 12:35pm
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Honestly, I make my own release now and I have ceased having any problems. Incan doctor it up if it starts acting funny or run it through my old blender. I really love making my own release. Additionally, I have 20 pounds of powdered supplies to make my own. I am not sure I will ever have to buy more again. LOL!
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2012-03-23, 1:36pm
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thanks i will try thinning it out a bit ..i gather it is supposed to be gritty though ..I am not used to that !
how do you make your own is there a recipe somewhere?
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