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2005-12-04, 7:55pm
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HotHead mount
does anyone have a suggestion as to how to mount a HH (with hose and bulk fuel) to a workbench?
Thanks...Bo Whalen
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2005-12-04, 8:25pm
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You need an L bracket and a clamp.......
Sorry dont know the technical terms for these things.... hope you understand what I mean?
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2005-12-04, 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by botree
does anyone have a suggestion as to how to mount a HH (with hose and bulk fuel) to a workbench?
Thanks...Bo Whalen
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Basically from a hardware store, you need a "L" bracket, a "C" Clamp and a "worm type" hose clamp (1-1/2 inch size I think)...
Place "L" bracket next to edge of table or bench and secure in place with "C" clamp, bring hose and torch "connection" up next to "L" Bracket and use hose clamp to anchor it in place....
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Close up of clamps and "L" bracket
Overall View.
If torch stands too straight up, its ok to bend bracket so torch lays down at better angle over work surface..
Dale
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2005-12-04, 9:20pm
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hehe forgot about the hose bracket.......thank goodness Dale had some excellent pics and explanation.
In fact, I believe that I saw a thread by Dale somewhere else and thats how I managed to do mine all on my lonesome (ok I took a shopping list with me and gave the note to the man at the counter lol).
Jenny
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2005-12-05, 12:29pm
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Thanks Dale!!
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Originally Posted by Dale M.
Basically from a hardware store, you need a "L" bracket, a "C" Clamp and a "worm type" hose clamp (1-1/2 inch size I think)...
Place "L" bracket next to edge of table or bench and secure in place with "C" clamp, bring hose and torch "connection" up next to "L" Bracket and use hose clamp to anchor it in place....
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Close up of clamps and "L" bracket
Overall View.
If torch stands too straight up, its ok to bend bracket so torch lays down at better angle over work surface..
Dale
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Couldn't have asked for more. Matter of fact I have all the fixin's on hand.
BTW I found a hose set with Bulk connector on one end and female disposable cannister connector on the other at Home Depot for $23.00. Sold to be used with a portable grill.
Thanks all who viewed post.
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2005-12-06, 3:35pm
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Hi Dale! A while ago I posted a question about high-pressure hose safety in your hot head safety thread. I don't know if you've seen that thread lately but I thought I'd point it out. I'd love to have as much safety info possible on this subject, because I occasionally teach intro to beadmaking on FireWerks torches, and I know you've been investigating it in detail. Right now I'm still in the "not recommending HH bulk tanks" camp but I'm always interested in new research and sharing and I really respect your knowledge and experience, especially in ventilation. I'm thinking since you and Mike A. both speak calmly about HH bulk tanks, maybe there's something I've missed. Thanks so much!
http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=831
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2005-12-06, 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by Heather/Ericaceae
Hi Dale! A while ago I posted a question about high-pressure hose safety in your hot head safety thread. I don't know if you've seen that thread lately but I thought I'd point it out. I'd love to have as much safety info possible on this subject, because I occasionally teach intro to beadmaking on FireWerks torches, and I know you've been investigating it in detail. Right now I'm still in the "not recommending HH bulk tanks" camp but I'm always interested in new research and sharing and I really respect your knowledge and experience, especially in ventilation. I'm thinking since you and Mike A. both speak calmly about HH bulk tanks, maybe there's something I've missed. Thanks so much!
http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=831
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The data in the article you show link to is still the most up to date out there...
I am not aware of any new breakthroughs in hoses or fittings.... Most hoses and tanks are Industry (bbq-camping) standards and adapted to glass use...
Its not a ideal arrangement, but it works and like anything that uses high pressure fuels and hoses and etc. it demands respect.
Dale
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2005-12-08, 12:28pm
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Hi Dale - My question wasn't about the type of hose you recommend - I agree, your data on that was really clear. I just want to better understand how it works with residential safety laws, etc, because you've also mentioned that US national fire codes prohibit indoor residential fuel lines higher than 20 psi. Yes, HH bulk users should be using T-rated hose that are rated to handle pressures of 200 psi++, but would they still be breaking fire codes, voiding insurance, etc? I figure you're the right person to ask for more details, if you have the time. Thanks so much!
Sincerely, Heather
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2005-12-08, 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by Heather/Ericaceae
Hi Dale - My question wasn't about the type of hose you recommend - I agree, your data on that was really clear. I just want to better understand how it works with residential safety laws, etc, because you've also mentioned that US national fire codes prohibit indoor residential fuel lines higher than 20 psi. Yes, HH bulk users should be using T-rated hose that are rated to handle pressures of 200 psi++, but would they still be breaking fire codes, voiding insurance, etc? I figure you're the right person to ask for more details, if you have the time. Thanks so much!
Sincerely, Heather
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The thing is ... NFPA does not say you can not TEMPORARILY bring in high pressure propane hose through DOOR or WINDOW... It does states you can not plumb in (with metal piping) propane with a pressure of an excess of 20 psi. IF you are using long hose in temporary situation it must be disconnected and placed outside at end of session...
It also stipulates you can not store or use a propane cylinder larger than 1 pound in a residence, IT does NOT say you can not have cylinder outside door or window and have long hose on it... Some hoses can be had up to 25 feet long. Its pretty obvious that you can not have tank outside and torch inside with a 3-5 ft hose....
Typically a residence is your living, eating, sleeping space. If garage is attached, then it is part of residence. NFPA does not say you can not have tank in a "out building" or barn or some other enclosure that is NOT part of residence. Sure makes that shed in backyard look more like a studio...
Dale
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2005-12-08, 3:05pm
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Thanks Dale!!! I've moved my 2 further questions back to your thread in the Safety forum 'cause I'm way off topic from brackets.
http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=831
Thanks thanks thanks for your info and patience! -Heather
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2006-06-22, 12:13pm
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Thank you Dale!
Thanks Dale for your excellent pics and info in this thread! I wasn't sure how to hook a HH up for temporary use and now I do! Mucho Gracias!
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Way to go thanks this answered alot of my questions
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2009-05-11, 7:29pm
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Way to go thanks this answered alot of my questions
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Lots of questions answered here....
http://www.artglassanswers.com/forum...049b52b0d052e9
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Here is a picture of my HH set-up using some of the implements that Dale suggests. I mounted mine on the block of wood to get the angle that works for me. Then I mounted the block to my work surface with bolts. Please excuse the blurry photo. My variation gives me a bit more height.
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2009-05-27, 6:48pm
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With this set-up, is it set right to be able to use the torch mounted marver? I'm getting to the point where I would like to be able to use my torch mounted marver. I haven't yet because my torch points pretty much straight up.
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2009-05-27, 8:58pm
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With this set-up, is it set right to be able to use the torch mounted marver? I'm getting to the point where I would like to be able to use my torch mounted marver. I haven't yet because my torch points pretty much straight up.
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I've been thinking about adding one to mine. I don't see why it wouldn't work.
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2009-05-28, 6:14am
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With this set-up, is it set right to be able to use the torch mounted marver? I'm getting to the point where I would like to be able to use my torch mounted marver. I haven't yet because my torch points pretty much straight up.
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Yes... Using angle bracket you can have torch head in any position from horizontal to vertical and yes you can mount a torch mounter marver...
Dale
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Thank you! I'll make this mounting system a priority.
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